V8 Super Cars Is Gonna Be Wicked

Jesse James take's off in the COTF prototype

Finally, about 3 years after I first heard that the NASCAR-from-Down-Under was coming to Texas, I get to strap into a V8 SuperCar for a joyride around Circuit of the Americas: Austin’s automotive rollercoaster. Let me tell you one thing: This is gonna be wicked.

The example they had for us was their prototype of the Car Of The Future, similar to NASCAR’s Car Of Tomorrow concept, but with a push for a truly better race car (Unlike NASCAR’s push for a slower, safer, more oatmeal spec series). Things like a switch to IRS with a new transaxle transmission, a more rearward motor placement, a centrally located fuel tank, and some other structural changes to the cage and chassis.

For those who are wondering, here’s how a V8 SuperCar is born. While the bodies are based on a production car, they’re still silhouette cars. Meaning that there’s a tubular race chassis underneath a stock body. All cars use this new spec chassis from the COTF. The bodies start life as a standard body-in-white, and minor changes are made to the over all dimensions to fit the spec chassis and a spec exterior dimension. Despite these minor changes, the car is still a door-slammer four-door sedan that was born from a street car. Yum…

Engines are restricted to 5 liters, and are built in similar vein to SCCA World Challenge and Grand-Am Rolex GT class cars. In the case of our Holden, it was a LSX-based motor with a special “Aurora” block to reduce the displacement to 5L. The engines run up to about 7,500 RPM and make in the neighborhood of 650 horse power, but our demo ride was detuned considerably and limited to about 5,000 rpm; maybe to save the problematic new transmission.

What wasn’t held back, however, was the unique, and very aggressive driving style. Fabian Coulthard was our chauffeur. What the V8 Supercar seemed to lack in brute force, it made up for in tenacious curb-hopping grip. It’s weird apexing corner with the OUTSIDE tire as he cut across the corner’s curbs, but the aggressive style of driving makes for a very interesting and fast line. It feels like they’re setup a little softer than the average touring car just for the curb-eating abilities. Now imagine a fleet of them jumping across curbing, rubbing fenders, and battling through COTA’s s-bends, and you’ve got some exciting and rowdy racing.

Interestingly enough, Jesse James, of West Coast Choppers infamy, was out at COTA demoing his crazed NASCAR-go-kart: A NASCAR road race car that was chopped down to the bare frame rails, shortened, and made into an aggressive 2-seater demo car for COTA. Something like the two-seat open-wheel cars that you sometimes see, but without compromises to gain a passenger. The chassis was shortened down to 105-inch wheel base, a tubular body frame and cage was stuck on top, and covered in carbon fiber and hand-worked metal paneling. So imagine a short-wheel-base NASCAR with 1,000 lbs less weight, lower CoG, and an unrestricted 800hp V8. 

Fabian and Jesse exchanged cars several times, getting a feel for the other side of the coin. Fabian looked a bit like a worried father as Jesse took out the V8 SuperCar, but Jesse was excited to finally see his mental go-kart make some runs at speed from the outside. “Man, I bet you he’ll come back wanting my motor in his car,” he joked. 

The V8 SuperCar was still faster, due to being a stable car in the corners, but Jesse’s go-kart was mental on the straights, and is the only car I’ve heard so far that you can hear from the pits the ENTIRE time it’s on track. I’ll need to track down a joyride in this one, too.

Will V8 SuperCars be the radical, race-culture-changing race we want it to be in the US? Probably not; but it all depends on the fans and the following that grows in the states. I think for it to take hold and influence American racing fans, it needs to come at full force into the American automotive culture in the same way that rally racing has done in the last few years. Say what you will about Ken Block, but he’s brought a tangible, entertaining, and smash-hit taste of what rally racing is, and brought a new wave of interest into stage rally in the US. We need this series to influence our US-based series: Grand-Am, NASCAR, SCCA World Challenge. We don’t exactly lack road racing here, but we lack the fire-breathing, fender-into-fender competitiveness of the showroom-based race cars that the Australians enjoy so much. 

I’ll leave you with some entertaining video provided by Circuit of the Americas of the COTF V8SC and COTM NASCAR playing on the track. 

[youtube]http://youtu.be/bLprVBrNydo[/youtube]

Photos: Brianne Corn, Phillip Thomas
Video: Circuit of the Americas

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22 responses to “V8 Super Cars Is Gonna Be Wicked”

  1. nobodyfromoppo Avatar
    nobodyfromoppo

    I cannot wait for the race, even though they've messed up the format. I think I'll have to go next year.

  2. vwminispeedster Avatar
    vwminispeedster

    3 weeks away. I can't wait. First time to Texas and first time for Aussie v8s!!

  3. taborj Avatar
    taborj

    I absolutely love V8 Supercars. Bummed at the changeover to the COTF chassis (I liked true Holden vs Ford battles), but from what I've seen of the COTF it's in every way a superior racecar over the old cars.
    Hopefully the rest of America will think they're as awesome as I do.

    1. MVEilenstein Avatar
      MVEilenstein

      Agreed, although spec racing appears to be the wave of the future.

  4. name_too_long Avatar
    name_too_long

    I was not aware it was possible to be this jealous.

  5. JayP2112 Avatar
    JayP2112

    I might be in College Station instructing the HPDE that weekend.
    Too many things to do!

  6. MVEilenstein Avatar
    MVEilenstein

    I heard a nasty rumor that they're running the short course at COTA. Someone tell me it isn't true.

    1. JayP2112 Avatar
      JayP2112

      'tis true…
      <img src="http://circuitoftheamericas.com/images/v8/v8_track2.png&quot; width="600">

      1. MVEilenstein Avatar
        MVEilenstein

        Shame. To me, the downhill run to 11 is the best part of the track.

    2. Texan_idiot25 Avatar
      Texan_idiot25

      This is good for the crowd, it keeps a tight pack of cars passing the crowd more often with the shorter lap. After racing around the track last December, I can tell you that the best and most fun sections are in the short course.
      But the blind left hander at 10/11 before the back straight is a test of metal. 🙂

      1. MVEilenstein Avatar
        MVEilenstein

        This is true. Either way, it's going to be an epic race. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

  7. Mat Avatar
    Mat

    Correction – the Holden engine is not LSX based. The Aurora block is the old SBC design but with a short deck height

    1. Texan_idiot25 Avatar
      Texan_idiot25

      It uses LS heads, though. At least that's what I was told, and it's not old school SBC heads for sure. Interesting hybrid motor, then.
      Thanks!

  8. Abe Avatar
    Abe

    They lost me when they went to a spec chassis. I really liked the idea of a racecar that was at least based off the production chassis.

    1. texan_idiot25 Avatar
      texan_idiot25

      The old chassis had less in common with the street car, anyways. The Commedore and Falcon haven't had solid axles in quite sometime. It's still manufacturer V8s and bodies.

    2. MrHowser Avatar
      MrHowser

      I was pretty disappointed to hear that V8SC was going to a spec chassis. I thought it would become as boring as NASCAR. However, last season, I believe there were only four different race winners in championship races – Jamie Whincup, Craig Lowndes, Mark Winterbottom, and Will Davison. Four drivers shared 30 race wins. Even though there was good racing between the top drivers, there was little doubt over the course of the season that either FPR or 888 Racing would come home with the title.
      So far this season, there have been five different teams and seven different drivers atop the podium. If the spec chassis makes for more competitive racing, I'm all for it.

    3. Deartháir Avatar
      Deartháir

      I was with you on that, 100%… until I read more about it, and looked into it some more. These guys did it right.
      The reasons for the spec chassis were not the reasons that NASCAR used. V8SC wanted to make it more competitive, true, but they also wanted to take some of the advantage away from the "big money" teams: Triple-8, FPR, HRT. The problem with the old cars was that the two cars had to be extensively modified to make them competitive. If I recall, that involved lowering the roofline of the Commodore so it was similar to the Falcon, and lengthening the Falcon to make it similar to the Commodore. (Don't quote me on that, I might have the details wrong, but you get the idea.) When they did that, they then had to build a custom roll-cage to sit inside the now-heavily-modified production body, and then modify the chassis itself to accommodate the roll-cage, then strengthen the chassis to accommodate the fact that it was modified to accept the roll-cage. The process kept adding weight, taking away strength, increasing cost, and requiring still more modifications to get back what had been lost in the process.
      The COTF agenda was to give them a clean slate. By starting with a tube chassis, the cars could be stronger, safer and lighter, and built for a fraction of the cost. Basically, the showroom chassis had to be cut up so much to turn it into a race car, there wasn't much left of it to be related to the street car.
      The really cool thing they did with these cars, however, was to make the aerodynamic add-ons — the front splitter, the air intakes, the rear diffuser and the rear wing — to be the variables in the design. The result is that they can have a wide variety of differently-shaped cars — from the E63 (although it would be an E50 now, wouldn't it?) AMG to the Nissan Altima — whose aerodynamics can be adjusted to suit the particular amounts of downforce that the body generates. As an example, the factory shape of the Falcon generates more downforce than the Commodore does, so the wing on the back of the Falcon generates less downforce than the Commodore.
      "But that just means that everything gets equalized and boring!", you cry. No, that means that V8SC has a formula to prevent one particular model from dominating over everyone else. They're already looking at the maths on the current standings — why Holdens are appearing to be dominant over everyone else. Do they need to change something? Does the Holden have an advantage? But no, as it appears, the Fords are just as competitive, and the Nissans and AMGs soon will be, but the limiting factor is experience. Frosty is trying way too hard to win, and taking himself out of competition too frequently. Holdsworth and the Erebus gang have reliability issues to deal with. Nissan just seems to have a hard time getting their cars balanced.
      Think back to the Godzilla days. Skaife and clan were spanking everyone, no matter what they'd try and do to compete. That's exciting for a little while, but it's not long before the races get boring. I watched a clip where the Godzilla cars were almost a lap ahead by the time they hit lap 10. When their victory is a foregone conclusion, weeks before the race is won, what's the fun in watching it?
      The BJR cars — Hooniverse's own Jason Bright and the aforementioned Fabian Coulthard — would not have had a chance against the big-money guys last year. This year, they're in the running, and showing the big boys how it's done, with a budget that is a fraction of that of the factory teams.
      But keep your eyes on these pages for that. There may be more to come!

  9. craigsu Avatar
    craigsu

    Based on your description of the COTF I don't see any credible difference now between V8 Supercars and NASCAR, except that NASCAR makes a lot more power out of their V8s. 650HP is more like Nationwide Series power. Perhaps the drivers will prove to be the difference and there will be some crossover appeal to NASCAR fans. I'd be interested in having Fabian do a compare/contrast on the same track between V8 Supercars and NASCAR cars.

    1. texan_idiot25 Avatar
      texan_idiot25

      Except that NASCAR uses absolutely no production parts with their represented models. They have next to zero manufacturer parts in them. Spec motors, spec bodies, spec chassis, spec everything. The V8 SC cars start life as production cars (They only just now quit using the stock glass windshields), and really end with a effectively a spec suspension and transmission. Engines are manufacturer based: Ford, Holden, Nissan and Benz all use their own motors. These cars have much more in line with our Grand-Am GT and World Challenge cars than anything else.
      The video above shows the two on COTA. Kurt Busch made the comment that the track is "too tight" for the road-course NASCAR, and it couldn't run as good of times as the V8SC since it can't lay down power on corner exit.

      1. craigsu Avatar
        craigsu

        Thanks for the clarification. I couldn't understand why anyone would bring a racing series that seemed to mimic the Nationwide Series from Oz to the States. Now if we could just get Holdens sold here in the US. Wait, that would be the "new" Chevy SS.

        1. texan_idiot25 Avatar
          texan_idiot25

          Yawp, the Holden in the photos is the new Chevy SS body. I can tell you that it at least looks badass when racecar'd

    2. Deartháir Avatar
      Deartháir

      Phillip gave a great explanation there, but there's so much more to it, we almost have to say, "just go watch".
      There was a V8Xtra episode a few months back that went into some detail about it. I have it here on my computer somewhere, but basically, the process is pretty cool. There really aren't that many actual production parts, but there are racing reproductions of them, if that makes sense. The body panels, for instance, are carbon fibre, not steel, but they are identical in every dimension to the factory pieces. Well, not the bumpers, obviously, but you get the idea. This is actually an improvement over the previous "factory chassis" cars. For those cars, doors, fenders and B- and C-pillars were modified to accommodate the race car, and the roll-cage inside. Now, the dimensions match the factory cars much, much closer.
      As for the power, V8SC offered to let them run free for horsepower. They know they can build them up to 1000 horsepower if need be, but that much power in a touring car starts to cause problems. The 650-horse limit (and they've actually been extremely hush-hush about what the actual limit is, it might be more, it might be less) is the point where the teams were happy. It's enough power to get the performance they want, but not so much that the engines have to be rebuilt after every race, or the drivers run the risk of power-sliding into a wall on a tight city course.
      But don't take my word for it. I am completely converted to being in favour of COTF. The more I read about it, the more I realized this was a program implemented by a bunch of guys who genuinely "got it". Everything they did was with the idea of making the racing better, the process more affordable, and the cars safer, without sacrificing anything that makes it good.