Name That Part – I Don't Know Either!

Ford Country Sedan Wagon
It came from underneath…

…but I can tell you where they came from. Over the last few weeks, I’ve been spending a bunch of time (and money) sprucing up the Country Sedan. It’s been mostly sitting for most of the last year, so a round of tune-up parts was in order. After a distributor cap and rotor, new plugs and wires, valve cover gaskets, front wheel bearings and a cooling system flush-out, it was time to hit the road again. Specifically, the plan was to take it camping this weekend. Unfortunately, road testing post spruce-up revealed a tick-tick-CRUNCH noise from under the car, but only under hard braking…
The first thought was something (a loose tool?) hitting the fan, but the engine bay was clean. Second thought was a faulty wheel bearing, so I ended up re-doing one side. No dice. Every lap around the block, it’d crunch from the bottom-front of the car under hard braking. It wasn’t until I parked the car running nose-down on my sloped driveway and looked underneath that I ID’ed the noise as coming from the transmission. (queue the FFFFFFUUUUUUU)
Pulling back to the garage, I (unwisely) assumed pulling the transmission’s pan was the best bet. 10 minutes and a hot tranny fluid bath (…sigh…) later and there were no signs of trouble. Then it occurred to me to check in the flywheel area…a check that requires removing four bolts and looking. Should’ve done that first, because hiding behind the flywheel were the two little buggers you saw earlier. Judging by the scar, the pin had been catching between the flywheel and the bellhousing. Sort of makes sense that under hard braking, it would roll forward and get kicked around.

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Per the the wise, helpful people over at FordMuscle, the pin might be one of the block-to-trans alignment pins…but it seems a little small for that (1/4″ diameter). The spring is another issue entirely. As best anyone can figure out, it looks a lot like the springs that sit on a drum brake adjuster. Why the hell a drum brake adjuster spring is rattling around in my bellhousing is a complete mystery. In fact, this whole thing’s a bit of a mystery as in the 3 years and roughly 5,000 miles (told you it had been sitting) that I’ve owned this wagon, I’ve never pulled the transmission, and never heard this noise before. Also, aside from the crunching, the car starts, runs and drives just fine.
So, if anyone here has a good idea, feel free to weigh in in the comments. It seems unlikely that parts are falling out of the front of the transmission into the bellhousing. The next most obvious source of springs and pins in the area is the starter. Perhaps part of the starter gear engagement mechanism came loose?
All this wrapped up at about 1:00am last night, and I may or may not get to it tonight to figure out what’s going on. Now I’ve got to get the Jeep and utility trailer ready as the backup camping vehicle.

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  1. damnelantra™[!] Avatar
    damnelantra™[!]

    lazy mechanic pre ownership?

  2. engineerd Avatar

    I hate it when I hit a bump and brake parts get in my transmission.
    I sure do hope you find out what happened! Did the car shift alright? Did you button it back up and drive it around the block? Of course, that last one is risky, but if it is just an alignment dowel piece and some mystery spring there may not be an issue…as long as you didn't notice any other driveability/shifting issues before.

    1. Tim Odell Avatar
      Tim Odell

      I'm literally walking out the door to go work on it right now.
      Updates when I have something to update.

  3. P161911 Avatar

    Do you have any rodents in your garage with mechanical aspirations?
    I had a 96 Z-28 that would make a horrible racket under heavy acceleration, but the problem would only happen the first couple of times I showered down and then go away. Next day same problem. I was getting home late from work and didn't feel like messing with a car that was running mostly OK. One morning the car wouldn't start. I look under the hood and see lots of dog food on top of the engine. Rats had chewed through the wiring harness. The racket under acceleration was dog food. I was dumb enough to let this happen twice before i got a steel can to keep the dog food in.

  4. Texan_Idiot25 Avatar
    Texan_Idiot25

    I could under stand an alignment pin shearing over time, maybe slightly loose trans-motor bolts, but the spring? It looks nothing like any drum brake spring I've ever seen…

  5. Tim Odell Avatar
    Tim Odell

    Update!
    I pulled the starter.
    Nothing obviously wrong there, BUT I did find 2 more pins and 2 more springs sitting right at the opening for the starter on the transmission. Kinda hard to explain, but they were just sitting on a "ledge" that's right at that opening. Not obvious if they came out of the starter or just bounced up there after being hit by the flywheel.
    I also found a 4th pin in the bottom of the bellhousing.
    So…3 springs and 4 pins so far.

    1. Texan_Idiot25 Avatar
      Texan_Idiot25

      Think of looking at your drums yet?

      1. nofrillls Avatar

        Well played, sir.

    2. muthalovin Avatar

      You have some kind of pin/spring fairy living in your car-hold. Get some Raid. Case closed.

    3. P161911 Avatar

      I'm telling you, you have rats who think they are mechanics.

  6. Texan_Idiot25 Avatar
    Texan_Idiot25

    OH YES, that one. The GM one is a slightly different shape, some-what clips on part 8 to keep in place.

    1. Froggmann_ Avatar

      Nothing, it's part of the parking brake assembly. It notches in partially on the front brake shoe and the E brake lever (4) and the other end notches into the rear brake. The spring keeps the assembly tensioned so the parts don't move around.

  7. coupeZ600 Avatar
    coupeZ600

    I'm just throwing this out there, 'cuz I'm loaded and all, but could they be springs from the pressure-plate? I've seen this happen before, but it usually ends in disaster quite soon after….

  8. 59Parisienne Avatar
    59Parisienne

    I knew from the intro pic, and all the clues confirm: they are the rollers and springs from an (exploded) starter drive. Better check yours, though probably from a previous one. And make sure nothing's left behind: it's only your good luck nothing wedged to shatter the trans case or worse. Overrunning clutches are in lots of places, especially automatics. Here's a good write-up.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freewheel

    1. MechE_Hokie Avatar

      ^Winner. If the starter uses a solenoid to push the engagement gear into the flywheel, the starter might still function with the overrunning clutch all messed up.

      1. Tim Odell Avatar
        Tim Odell

        I'm leaning towards this.
        Thanks, guys.

  9. BPR Avatar
    BPR

    I love those old wagons. So much room, even the bellhousing has room for passengers. I hope sitting on pins didn’t ruin their temper.

    1. FЯeeMan Avatar

      Would that be an even temper or a heat temper?

      1. BPR Avatar
        BPR

        Well the first day of summer is June 21, so it must be spring temper.

      2. Charles_Barrett Avatar

        …Or maybe just dis-temper…?

  10. JeepyJayhawk Avatar

    I can't remember if you're rolling an auto or manual in this so how about parking lock pins? I have no idea how they'd get up there though.
    Alternate theory: is one of your friends f'ing with you?

    1. engineerd Avatar

      Judging by the company he keeps, the friends f'ing with him is a distinct possibility. I would start with Glucker.

      1. Jeff Glucker Avatar
        Jeff Glucker

        Hell no… I want to borrow that thing someday.

  11. MechE_Hokie Avatar

    http://www.procarcare.com/images/shar/encyclopedi
    Check out parts 15 and 16. 59Parisienne was right on the money.

    1. JeepyJayhawk Avatar

      So since he has found four of them does that mean the car has eaten four starters during it's life? Also, how the hell did the parts travel that far?

  12. Castor Troy Avatar
    Castor Troy

    spring from the hub of the clutch disk is my guess

  13. Tim Odell Avatar
    Tim Odell

    Context for all: It's an automatic. Ford C6, to be specific.
    I'm liking the starter drive (the thing attached to the gear that engages the starter) as the culprit.
    No obvious evidence on my end, but based on what people here and elsewhere are saying, it's about the only thing that would have those springs and pins in it.

    1. BPR Avatar
      BPR

      We’re all waiting for you to check your starter and tell us if the overrun clutch is intact.
      If it’s junk left behind from a previous starter we’ll never know, but if it’s from this starter, we may have a winner.

  14. 59Parisienne Avatar
    59Parisienne

    They are inside part #9 in that exploded view.

  15. 59Parisienne Avatar
    59Parisienne

    Yup, previous mechanic did not do due diligence. They were stuck in there, maybe for years, until grease melted/vibrations occurred/somethin' happened. Thers's a lot of wind in there too.

  16. Randell Willilams Avatar

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