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The News for September 25th, 2020

Welcome to the Hooniverse News! As always, this is a weekly recap of the biggest stories in the automotive industry without the fluff or bull. This week: holy fuck BMW that M3/M4 is ugly as shit, Volkswagen reveals production ready ID.4, Audi celebrates racing success at the ‘Ring with Green Hell R8, Acura announces two customer racing teams fielding their DPi next year, California sets goal for zero emissions car sales by 2035, and your news for the week.

BMW M3 and M4

Starting with a couple of cars that caused absolutely no drama whatsoever, BMW’s new M3 and M4. Their “standard-bearers for racing-car exhilaration in everyday driving” are all new, more powerful, more advanced, and more offensive.

The configurations available at launch will be the M3 Sedan, M3 Competition Sedan, M4 Coupe, and M4 Competition Coupe. Convertible versions of the M4 at some point are a guarantee and there’s even an M3 touring that was confirmed, but that’s almost certainly not coming to the US. But the Competition versions being available right at launch is something new. That used to be sort of a mid-cycle refresh to add a little more power and sharper dynamics, but now we can choose right from the start. Regardless of which car is chosen, drivers will benefit from some of the good lessons learned over the past few years. For example, developing the road car alongside the race car as BMW first tried with the M8 GTE. The M4 will be BMW’s GT3 car from 2022 and the fine tuning is being done with both cars simultaneously. This sort of thing made the M8 a supposedly awesome car to drive (rare from BMW these days) so here’s hoping it worked on the M3 and M4 too.

Performance

They certainly won’t be slow regardless of which car you get. A 3.0-liter inline-six with M TwinPower Turbo produces 480hp and 406 lb.-ft. of torque in standard form. Opt for the Competition and those numbers raised substantially to 510 horsepower and 479 lb.-ft. of torque. And rejoice all eight people who still buy manual BMWs – a six-speed manual is standard. This is significant because not only is the option for a manual still a thing on a car like this, it’s also been developed specifically for the new M3/M4. Those who will daily drive this or just want one of the fastest transmissions out there can still get the eight-speed M Steptronic. It seems transmission availability depends on the model and whether the optional AWD is equipped.

Oh, and it has AWD as an option on the Competition models. This is similar if not the same unit found in the M5 and M8 which is a RWD-biased system when enabled and can be fully RWD with the push of a button.

This all translates to impressive performance stats on paper. 0-62 mph on both Competition models is 3.9 seconds (add three tenths to the standard cars). Top speed is limited to 155 mph as is usual for German cars but it can be lifted to 190 mph if you give them the money for it.

#DYNAMISM

A lot of work was put into making it more #dynamic and it uses some clever electronics and engineering to accomplish that. It’s all on an extremely stiff body structure and chassis mounting and is backed up by loads of standard features. New Active M suspension and Dynamic Stability Control with integrated wheel slip limitation and ten-stage traction control will do their part to keep things under control. Super strong and fade-resistant M Carbon Ceramic Brakes are available through the M Race Track Package as well.

BMW also acknowledged enthusiasts’ complaints about how heavy their cars have gotten and responded by making both the M3 and M4 heavier than before. The lightest offering, the totally standard M4 Coupe, weighs in at around 3,750 pounds. That’s close to 300 pounds over the lightest of the previous-generation M4s. I hope those numbers take the optional AWD system into account but the press release wasn’t clear on that.

Author’s note: it was at this point that the new Deftones album dropped, so I’ll be speeding things up a bit.

Interior

It’s great.

Exterior

It looks really good if you close your eyes and imagine something less shitty.

[Source: BMW]

VW ID.4

Volkswagen took a significant step this week towards making people forget about dieselgate with the all-new ID.4, their first new EV for the US market under the new ID sub brand. You can tell it’s for the US because it’s a crossover SUV.

Despite that, VW says it has the personality of the Beetle that they killed and drives like a GTI. That of course assumes that the Golf GTI takes 8.5 seconds to do 0-62 mph, which it hasn’t since the last millennium. But being a battery-electric vehicle, they’re able to keep the center of gravity very low, so it certainly won’t be a bad thing to drive. Speaking of batteries, VW equipped an 82 kWh battery that’s estimated to deliver 250 miles of driving range and feeds the motor(s) with up to 201 horsepower. Its towing capacity is 2,700 pounds, which isn’t bad at all for what it is. As is typical for VW, it’ll be an EV for the masses with an MSRP of $39,995 before any state or federal tax credits are applied. A cheaper $35,000 version is expected in the near future as well.

The ID.4 is a significant part of VW’s grand master plan to get more EVs in the hands of average consumers. Their tagline for the ID.4 is “Electric for the millions, not the millionaires”. It’s fun to pretend to save the environment while driving around in a luxury EV, but you’re not going to accomplish anything if the general public can’t afford it. It’s already proven to be a hit with a limited-run ID.4 1st Edition reportedly being sold out in under 8 hours at $43,995 a piece.

[Source: Jalopnik]

Audi R8 Green Hell

The postponed 24 Hours Nürburgring is taking place this weekend and Audi wanted to do something a little special for it. The R8 LMS has had great success at this track and this race in particular with five wins since 2012. So to celebrate and raise more money from rich people, 50 of these special edition R8s will be produced. It’s creatively called the R8 Green Hell.

And it’s very green. Tioman Green is the standard paint that’s exclusive to this model but it can also be had in white, gray, or black if you’re boring. To sort of make it look more like the race car, they partially covered the A-pillars, roof, and the rear with matt black foil. The matt black accents continue elsewhere on the car, including the wheels which are also highlighted by red details. There’s also no shortage of Green Hell badges and stitching to remind drivers what car they’re in.

The car’s performance capabilities weren’t touched by this package, but it doesn’t need it. Pricing is set at €233,949.59 and is seemingly only available in Germany.

[Source: Audi]

Acura confirms two new teams to field DPi entries next year

Acura dropped some stunning news this week regarding the future of their DPi and eventual LMDh program in IMSA. Lots of fans were concerned with the split between the brand and Team Penske who were running the show on track, but rumors were circulating which suggested Acura was simply taking a different approach. Penske was running the Acura ARX-05 exclusively, but Acura was thought to be looking to open it up to more customer racing teams. This week we received confirmation that this was the case.

Acura announced that Meyer Shank Racing (MSR) and Wayne Taylor Racing (WTR) would be taking the reigns next year. MSR is fresh off a GTD championship with the Acura NSX GT3 and WTR… well, they’re Wayne Taylor Racing. If you asked any Acura fan who they thought would take a shot at the Acura DPi program, they’d all answer MSR as a front runner. But WTR is a legitimate shocker. They’ve been racing with GM for nearly a decade and are currently one of a handful of Cadillac DPi customers. It’s also worth noting that former WTR driver and son of Wayne Taylor himself, Ricky Taylor, is currently driving the Acura for Penske. Both teams will run the prototype as it is until the new LMDh regulations take over, at which point both teams will switch over to the new car.

[Source: Acura]

California announces zero emission vehicle sales mandate by 2035

Rivian RT1 Truck

And now for news that I’m sure won’t be controversial at all, California Governor Gavin Newsom announced by executive order that all new passenger car and truck sales conducted in the state must be zero emission vehicles by 2035. Medium and heavy-duty vehicles will have the same goal “where feasible” by 2045. Some headlines you’ve certainly read go something like “California bans all cars” or “Tesla is now the official car of California and dissenters will be labeled as short sellers and called pedophiles by Elon”. But there’s a few key points here to pick out from the order issued by Newsom’s office.

The executive order mandates that new car sales in the state are of zero emission vehicles by 2035. It does not mandate what kind of zero emission vehicle it is and it does not ban ICE vehicle ownership outright, nor does it ban the ICE used car market. What it does do is require automakers to continue to ramp up production of new cars that run on alternative energy. Meanwhile, state agencies and the private sector will need to accelerate the deployment of affordable fueling and charging options. By setting the goal 15 years in the future (if there even is a future by then), this gives everyone a chance to make sure the state is as ready as automakers are.

Some will certainly wonder “why wait?”. Well the answer is painfully obvious if you or someone you know lives in California. Their power grid is complete shit. When it isn’t starting fires, it struggles to handle the increased load of millions of AC units during heatwaves as we saw from very recent rolling blackouts. And then there’s the problem the rest of the country faces with access to charging. If you don’t own a home with a wall charger, your only hope for charging is to fight for one of the charging spots at work or Whole Foods. If you live in an apartment like so many of us not rich people do (especially out there), forget about it. This isn’t to say California’s 2035 goal can’t be done; it’s just going to take a lot of work, fast.

If they’re as committed to this as they say they are, this will work. And it will have far reaching implications for the rest of us. California has a lot of influence over the car market. If they put pressure on automakers to release more zero emissions cars, those cars will start to fill up showrooms elsewhere. And we can’t forget about the numerous other countries that have very similar mandates as well. Even if California didn’t make this announcement, it’s very possible that all new cars would have been electric in some form or another by 2035 anyway. The cars will be ready, the infrastructure just has to be as well.

[Source: Jalopnik]

What’s your automotive news?

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That’s all I’ve got for you this week, so now it’s your turn. If you saw anything, fixed something, broke everything, or otherwise did anything even remotely car related that you want to share with your fellow hoon, sound off in the comments.

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56 responses to “The News for September 25th, 2020”

  1. Smaglik Avatar
    Smaglik

    Still waiting for the returned cluster on the m5. Moderately concerned about the vendor. They’ve been responsive, but only when pushed. Hopefully I’m worrying over nothing. In the meantime two replacement interior trim pieces have arrived for the car. Unlike the e46 models where most of the hard interior surfaces are covered with a black plastic that gets tacky and peels away as it ages, the e39 only has a few surfaces like that, and ive been replacing them as I’ve discovered them.

    Had a taillight warning on the wagon. Apparently the taillight design is crap as the ground is not beefy enough and it overheats contacts. Well, that happened here so I repaired the contact (by jamming a wire against it) and added an additional ground wire on each side to hopefully keep it from happening again. In typical ham handed fashion I accidentally separated the reflector from the rest of the taillight assembly on one side so I had to reattach using epoxy. We’ll see if it is watertight the next time it rains here…hopefully this year at some point.

  2. neight428 Avatar
    neight428

    So, if California mandates zero emissions new car sales by 2035, without any other phase outs of gas stations, used car sales, cars imported from other states, etc., they’re not really doing anything impactful apart from kneecapping in state car dealers. This nominal lead time does nothing to incent people to spend the billions of dollars it would take to support an electrified vehicle fleet in the state. At this point, I’m half convinced that they are trying to get people outside of the entertainment, tech and finance sectors to leave. Trouble is, even Zuckerberg and Scorsese need a plumber on occasion.

    1. Zentropy Avatar
      Zentropy

      I guess it’s the only path forward that doesn’t completely jerk the rug out from under everyone. Outlawing internal combustion engines by 2035 is simply not feasible, although it would certainly light a fire under the state’s ass to create an electric infrastructure.

      1. Greg Kachadurian Avatar
        Greg Kachadurian

        To me it seems that lighting a fire under the state’s ass was the main goal with the order. Infrastructure seems to be the biggest obstacle to EV adoption in that state in particular. After hearing what Matt Farah had to go through to install just two chargers at his car storage warehouse, I’m surprised there are any public chargers at all.

        1. Zentropy Avatar
          Zentropy

          I meant outlawing them altogether, not just prohibiting new sales. I mean, 15 years is a long time before only new cars must be zero-emissions– is it enough incentive to get the infrastructure in place? ZEVs are what, maybe 10% of new car sales in California now?

        2. neight428 Avatar
          neight428

          You can light a fire to motivate or to run people off. EV’s are still heavily subsidized and expensive, to punitively speed adoption through a threat of outlawing/restricting existing product, you’re just taxing other activity. California shows no inclination whatsoever to approve infrastructure of any kind, nor enable its reasonable maintenance/upkeep. They don’t want new fossil fuel based generation, you can’t build hydroelectric, and all the renewables in the world won’t fix the problems they already have that will be amplified by a wider adoption of electric vehicles.

      2. Vairship Avatar
        Vairship

        Actually, 2035 is not out of line with other developed countries: large parts of the EU will go all-electric-sales-only between 2030 and 2040, I suspect large Chinese cities will do the same, so California is simply going along with that flow and I suspect New York, much of New England and large cities in the rest of the US will join.

        Lesser developed infrastructures and perpetual laggards like most of Africa, South America and the US Midwest and South will trail behind but will have to make the move eventually. Yes, right now EVs are a small percentage, but by 2050 it’ll be hard to find a dino-burning car that still meets world-leading crash standards. Instead by that time the choice is likely to be: EV or third-world car. Can I interest you in a 2050 Tata Nano? 😉

        https://about.bnef.com/electric-vehicle-outlook/

        As far as charging them all: most of that will happen at night (with programmable start times), so not at a time that is likely to cause blackouts. Gas stations will realize they’re really convenience stores, and put in chargers as they remove pumps. Apartment buildings and condo HOAs will figure out they’d better add plug-in sites (either in their own building, or nearby) if they want to attract future renters/owners. There was a time when indoor plumbing was not common either, and had to be retrofitted by building owners.

        Fifteen years from now is at least two cars away for most people, so there’s quite a bit of time.

        1. Zentropy Avatar
          Zentropy

          I don’t think 2035 is unreasonable for limiting the sale of new cars to those with zero emissions. What I suggested was not feasible is outlawing all cars– new or used– that had internal combustion engines.

          1. outback_ute Avatar
            outback_ute

            They haven’t outlawed riding horses or driving steam engines

          2. Sjalabais Avatar
            Sjalabais

            I laughed, and, also , this is where I insert my favourite video on all of YouTube, again:

          3. neight428 Avatar
            neight428

            Nor have they taxed horses and steam engines to pay for ICE vehicles.

          4. outback_ute Avatar
            outback_ute

            How they tax EV ‘s remains to be seen doesn’t it, I’m not keen on GPS based mileage logging which implies tracking and a real intrusion into privacy, but I wonder what else won’t be open to hacking? Hard to tax car electricity differently from home electricity.

          5. Vairship Avatar
            Vairship

            I agree, there’s no reason to outlaw internal combustion engined cars; if you outlaw selling them or importing them from other states, the number of gas stations and knowledgeable mechanics will dwindle to almost nothing within fifteen years or so.

        2. neight428 Avatar
          neight428

          All of those things, ripping out thousands of gas pumps, installing tens of thousands of chargers, commercializing them, balancing grid requirements, etc. take money/time and none of them are economically self supporting yet.

          And we haven’t yet approached the benefit obtained.

          1. Vairship Avatar
            Vairship

            “And we haven’t yet approached the benefit obtained.”
            I think it is fairly normal that you have to do the work first in order to get the benefits. That’s just how life works.

            Yes, it will take time and money to put in chargers. Just like it took time and money to build roads and gas stations when cars first came around, and yes, some of that was taxpayer money. Same with railroads, airports, and big harbors. You may be surprised to learn that when Columbus first smacked into the Americas, there were no highways or gas stations there yet 😉

            Progress happens. More slowly in some areas, but it happens. Yes it costs money, but so does doing nothing, it just costs you in different ways.

          2. neight428 Avatar
            neight428

            I was referring to discussing the benefits at all, not actually seeing them occur.

            Point being, in all the CO2 modelling out there, you can remove every ICE passenger car from the US fleet and it will not change anything. The models could be wrong, of course, but they could be wrong in either direction.

            If chargers are worth it, they don’t require mandates, just like gas stations didn’t. For there to be a tragedy of the commons cost being incurred, you’ll need to prove a tragedy exists.

          3. neight428 Avatar
            neight428

            I was referring to discussing the benefits at all, not actually seeing them occur.

            Point being, in all the CO2 modelling out there, you can remove every ICE passenger car from the US fleet and it will not change anything. The models could be wrong, of course, but they could be wrong in either direction.

            If chargers are worth it, they don’t require mandates, just like gas stations didn’t. For there to be a tragedy of the commons cost being incurred, you’ll need to prove a tragedy exists.

          4. Sjalabais Avatar
            Sjalabais

            That’s a very interesting point – do we need to subsidize EVs and their infrastructure or not. I think we are just a very different society from when gas stations made their way into cities and villages. Everything is regulated, and a lot of regulation is in favour of some existing technology. Diesel in Europe is one example: Once favoured, half of all new cars were diesel e.g. in Norway. Suddenly, old and new research found its way to politicians, and diesel fell out of favour, with only a minority still purchasing them new. This decline was accelerated by new legislation.

            So, yeah, I think that there are several arguments pro regulation and maybe even subsidies: Are world is rigged this way. And the climate crisis presents some urgency where everything else wants to move slowly.

          5. Sjalabais Avatar
            Sjalabais

            That’s a very interesting point – do we need to subsidize EVs and their infrastructure or not. I think we are just a very different society from when gas stations made their way into cities and villages. Everything is regulated, and a lot of regulation is in favour of some existing technology. Diesel in Europe is one example: Once favoured, half of all new cars were diesel e.g. in Norway. Suddenly, old and new research found its way to politicians, and diesel fell out of favour, with only a minority still purchasing them new. This decline was accelerated by new legislation.

            So, yeah, I think that there are several arguments pro regulation and maybe even subsidies: Are world is rigged this way. And the climate crisis presents some urgency where everything else wants to move slowly.

    2. Batshitbox Avatar
      Batshitbox

      I’d be willing to let this issue lie if California was doing anything about the 20,000 long-term idle gas and oil wells that are probably (no one has really studied it too closely) spewing methane into the atmosphere as well as toxins into the groundwater.

      But, hey! When you’re collecting $4M/yr. in idle well fees (2018) why would you want to fix the leaks? That sounds like work.

      Left-leaning but vaguely reputable news source
      https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2020-09-17/abandoned-gas-wells-are-left-to-spew-methane-for-eternity

      PDF from California Department of Conservation
      https://www.conservation.ca.gov/calgem/idle_well/Documents/AB-2729-Idle-Well-Program-Report.pdf

      1. Sjalabais Avatar
        Sjalabais

        The “yeah, but others are worse”-argument is as legit as it is defeating itself. You can always find something. North Sea wells have the same stupid issues, the tragedy of the commons is the standard of human society’s organization. That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t try to fix what we can, even though if cars seem to be an easy target rather than a rational one.

      2. neight428 Avatar
        neight428

        To say nothing of the tar balls that have been washing onto the beaches since before the invention of the horse.

        1. Lokki Avatar
          Lokki

          Now do horse manure:

          The larger and richer that cities became, the more horses they needed to function. The more horses, the more manure. Writing in the Times of London in 1894, one writer estimated that in 50 years every street in London would be buried under nine feet of manure. Moreover, all these horses had to be stabled, which used up ever-larger areas of increasingly valuable land. And as the number of horses grew, ever-more land had to be devoted to producing hay to feed them (rather than producing food for people), and this had to be brought into cities and distributed—by horse-drawn vehicles. It seemed that urban civilization was doomed.”

          https://fee.org/articles/the-great-horse-manure-crisis-of-1894/

          1. Sjalabais Avatar
            Sjalabais

            Brilliant quote. Seeing into the future is not easy, and we need to relate to what we know. What we seem to be knowing, trying to account for a few outliers here, is that burning fossil fuels is like sawing off the branch you’re sitting on. Industry and politicians seem to have decided that EVs are part of the solution, and as a car guy who has tried a few and owns one, I am not offended nor overly nostalgic for outgoing tech. It’s hard to replace the sound and feel of a big engine, but I’d have no qualms scarificing that for less maintenance and oil stained clothes and driveways. Then there’s hydrogen, which has been the fuel of the future forever, but it seems to be hitting speed bump after speed bump. Another well-known quote here:

    3. Kernel Panik Avatar
      Kernel Panik

      We’ll probably see a lot of “medium and heavy duty” vehicles with ICEs mass marketed as daily drivers and family haulers. This is what happened when CAFE standards gave a fuel economy break to light trucks and precipitated the storm of SUVs and crossovers onto the roads of North America.
      This is a good long term plan, but it’ll be interesting when the unintended consequences start coming standard with six wheel drive.

      1. Sjalabais Avatar
        Sjalabais

        Well, I’d watch that movie, for sure! It’s probably a realistic expectation, yet I would expect outliers like the US, Saudi-Arabia, Russia and more to converge with the rest of the world, eventually. My political predit-a-meter has been broken for a while, but convergence makes sense industrially and politically, doesn’t it?

    4. 0A5599 Avatar
      0A5599

      People are reacting as if this is something more real than the tooth fairy. It isn’t.

      It’s an executive order. Those can be overridden by legislative action, or by another executive order. By 2035, Newsom will have been term-limited out or defeated, and so will his successor (in January 2035). He’s just kicking the can down the road and leaving a mess for someone else to fix (either by extending the deadline by another two terms, or by repealing it entirely).

      I just hope this doesn’t lead to more of the most toxic form of pollution emanating from California: Californians moving away and infesting one of the other 49 states and then trying to make their new home more like California.

      1. Lokki Avatar
        Lokki

        I am curious to see how this goes, as there is currently a court battle between California and the Federal Government as to whether or not California has the right to set independent fuel economy and emissions standards. California has never actually had the authority to do so except through permission for an exception to federal standards. The Federal Government has announced that they intend to stop granting an exception to California. California has, of course, sued and the case will end up in front of the Supreme Court, however the general vibe is that if the Federal Government has the ability to grant an exception to a rule, they also have the ability to stop granting the exception.

        1. neight428 Avatar
          neight428

          I think they should be able to do so if they want, and they have already done so with separate emissions requirements that OEM’s spent extra money to meet because of the size of the market. At some point, it’s going to make a difference, and some brand will cease sales into California. Their options will shrink, their prices will rise, and no environmental impact will be made at all.

      2. neight428 Avatar
        neight428

        Agree entirely. The CA governor is making plans that term limits guarantee implementation thereof to be someone else’s problem. It’s the public pension problem all over again. Promise future benefits on someone else’s watch if it entrenches your interests. They’ll get some practical upside in the future for a “concession” of a 15 year old promise of the impossible.

  3. Batshitbox Avatar
    Batshitbox

    The clock struck 80,000 on the Econoline today. I give it about 3 years until I roll the sucker right over. (Perhaps for the second time?)

    I christened the Africa Twin’s nerf bars when the front wheel washed out in a sand-filled rut on the Ft. Bragg-Sherwood Road, which is 35 miles of logging road in Mendocino County that I previously rode fully loaded with no problem. I bent a turn signal and also scratched the tank (hopefully just the wax I put on last month) where I pulled my leg out from under it.

    The road conditions were just peachy until I ran into this little fella…

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/95f37b1df3598491051d57665e2acdd24b39e91a73c278564ed293a2372c8964.jpg

    Behind that road conditions deteriorated along the margins for about a mile, where I ran into a road grader that was churning up whatever the tree snatcher left between its tracks. Behind that it was just shit, and shit is what I ate. On the plus side, I can pick my own bike up (if all limbs are serviceable) and I got to ride into Fort Bragg looking like a hardass (or a jackass) covered in dry clay and enjoy a well earned burger and beer. No poseur no more!

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6d60d14f6699fab9dc8d7c536a8c6dff610ba4bc65a71c8afd4459e817d704ce.jpg

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/543c4b0a0cec48e3eb32141de79d70922312ec5536d5ed5ac3142f5e3fd9e4dc.jpg

    1. Victor~~ Avatar

      Have two Econolines and love them both . A conversion van and a delivery van .

      1. Zentropy Avatar
        Zentropy

        My dad’s ’97(?) extended E350 was the best work vehicle he ever owned, in my opinion. He bought it used from an airport using it as a taxi, removed the rear seats, and loaded up his tools. Rode like a dream on the highway and pulled trailers like a champ.

  4. Nobody Avatar
    Nobody

    Rolling blackouts in Crapifonia as it stands, what happens when all new cars plug into the grid???

  5. wunno sev Avatar
    wunno sev

    i have no skin in this game and don’t especially care to own an electric car myself, but i have to breathe the air and suffer the climate. of course electric cars don’t solve *all* our problems, but that’s hardly a reason not to embrace them. besides, do you think gasoline infrastructure was built overnight? you think utilities are gonna meet a 15-year heads up on a massive increase in demand with a shrug? (ignore the automakers’ complaints – they complained about catalytic converters and mileage requirements too, and now you can buy a 450hp LEV-III-compliant Mustang for $30k. i don’t think any of us would decline the cleaner air so that ’70s cars could have been faster.)

    yes, it’ll cost billions to build new plants and upgrade the grid – but we already spend billions per year moving highly refined dinosaur juice around so we can explode it at thousands of psi in giant chunks of aluminum that we carry everywhere. we don’t realize it because of how pervasive it is, but it’s an insane system, and it takes tons of maintenance. the idea that we’d never transition away from that massively complex, ugly, and expensive set of systems is ridiculous, whether or not you worry about its environmental impact. if you could snap your fingers now and have the cars and infrastructure all be electric, it’d be the obvious choice, and it’s getting harder and harder to argue that it couldn’t happen.

    even as one who loves gasoline-powered cars – i have three, i buy and sell around one per year, i race them, i rip through canyons in them, i maintain them, i modify them, i think about them 24/7 – it’s clear to me that we’re reaching the end of the ICE’s lifespan and the beginning of the BEV’s. so why fight it? we should be leaders in this new technology instead of luddites. if we lose the race to other countries, we have nobody to blame but ourselves.

  6. salguod Avatar

    I saw this image:

    https://d9p7j8e7.rocketcdn.me/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/P90399333_highRes_the-new-bmw-m3-compe-1.jpg

    And noticed that:

    1 – BMW conveniently put a chassis brace where it will inevitably interfere with filling the oil.
    2 – The engine shroud is nicely sculpted to funnel the spilled oil right into all those little pockets between the ribs on whatever that plastic piece is on the right.

    Thoughtful.

    1. Smaglik Avatar
      Smaglik

      I bet they’ll sell you a tool for $50 that will allow you to unscrew the cap without pulling the brace, if it indeed interferes. Business as usual in the bmw world.

      1. salguod Avatar

        I presume that the brace isn’t actually blocking the cap, but it does appear to make pouring more challenging. Of course, everyone always uses a funnel, as they ought to, right?

  7. salguod Avatar

    After 14.5 years and 220K miles, my 2005 Mazda3 5 door is off on another journey. Sold it to a young kid for $450. I was a little emotional as I watched it drive away, but I’ve since texted the kid a few times. He loves it and is setting about correcting the things I had given up on. I’m glad it went to someone who is giving it some love.

    1. Sjalabais Avatar
      Sjalabais

      When we went through the same process with our Honda, I checked the vehicle registry later to realize it was wrecked and turned into nails about six months after the sale…

      1. salguod Avatar

        I don’t have that ability in the states, so I’ll never know its fate. Probably for the best.

        My first car was a 1976 Camaro that Dad, ironically, paid $400 for in 1985 or so. I spent a year fixing all the rust and we sold it for $1500. A while later, I was junkyard shopping for parts for my next car, a 1980 Monza, and found my old Camaro in the yard. It was rough when we bought it, so I figured I added a couple of years to its life. Hopefully this kid can do the same thing for my Mazda.

        1. wunno sev Avatar
          wunno sev

          you might!
          https://www.nicb.org/vincheck

          check if a car has been totaled or stolen for free. pretty useful resource as a go/no go on an old beater if you don’t need tons of detail.

        2. Zentropy Avatar
          Zentropy

          Funny, I paid $400 for my first “non-hand-me-down” car around 1992. It was a 1980 AMC Spirit GT. I still have it, though I robbed its 360 V8 to put in my Jeep, which I have since sold. I’ve been inspired to put the AMC back on the road since the fellow on here decided to install a T5 in his Spirit. I have a 304 for it, just no transmission.

  8. Batshitbox Avatar
    Batshitbox

    In other news: Corporate Team Building w/ Rally Tesla 3s! https://www.evp.camp/drive

    Also on KTM Freerides which I’m very interested in.
    Hooniverse Overlords: This calls for a junket!!

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4122c996a41fd8bf2ee6d9a75e83196720bea92c00cca1685ba3349991ab0af0.jpg

  9. Sjalabais Avatar
    Sjalabais

    A lot of this week’s discussion revolves around how outdated ICE cars might be. So here’s another outdated fascination of mine: Print ads. The Jaguar I Pace has been a massive sales success in Norway, you see one on every second corner. You couldn’t have said the same thing about any Jaguar in Scandinavia ever. So this ad takes a risk and starts by saying “we could talk about the range”, but then figures “it’s enough to say it’s a Jaguar”.

    Which, read with enthusiast’s eyes, is a crispy self burn. Afaik this is the only EV known in enthusiasts circles for buybacks with NDAs. These cars had and might still have enough troubles for owners to get “we pay you back and you shut up”-deals. This is astonishing considering how trouble-free many EVs are, even the cheapest Chinese ones.

    It is a Jaguar, after all.

    https://i.ibb.co/4fvYzs0/IMG-20200926-155338.jpg

    1. outback_ute Avatar
      outback_ute

      Or even just faults acknowledged and fixed.

      Jeep Australia is running ads that basically say they are sorry for how customers have been treated, and what they have had to put up with, in the past. There’s a desperation move for you (sales are also a fraction of what they used to be).

      Despite this a guy at work turned up in a Gladiator this week!

      1. Sjalabais Avatar
        Sjalabais

        Fascinating, ads like this?:

        I can very much appreciate that. Own your mistakes and you deserve a second chance, I guess.

        As a sociologist though, I am kind of a professionally biased person and would be too scared to buy a Jeep nonetheless. Are there any stories related to customer care and such that are Australia specific?

    2. wunno sev Avatar
      wunno sev

      in the USA, Buick ran ads in which young, attractive suburbanites remark to each other, “that’s…a Buick?” like, “wow, that brand that nobody respects can build a decent-looking car?”

      given how much of the luxury car market is about the image a brand projects, this seems counterproductive. if you just wanted something comfortable you’d buy an Impala with leather and a stereo upgrade. per the ad, buying a Buick is like buying that Impala, but your neighbors think you make weird choices.

      1. Vairship Avatar
        Vairship

        I was surprised by that ad, you would have thought they’d have learned their lesson after “not your father’s Oldsmobile.” Telling your existing customers that they were stupid to buy what they did and that there are new Buicks/Oldsmobiles for smarter, more hip & happening customers is not likely to get your previous customers to return. Or to get new customers to join.

        1. Sjalabais Avatar
          Sjalabais

          My sister is in marketing and when I ask her how stuff like that can happen, she just says “there are stupid people everywhere”. It doesn’t really answer anything, but it might also just be a very odd expression for desperation. And Buick does have a few decent cars, I mean for being GM, at least… 😛

      2. neight428 Avatar
        neight428

        GM sells a zillion trucks and then spends the rest of its effort mixing it up the midsize CUV segment among the price/feature/value equations with everyone else from Hyundai to Lincoln. Buick would likely been killed off as well, but apparently the Chinese market liked them. I’m still not sure why GMC still exists as a brand except that interspersing another trim level between those offered by Chevrolet must be a winning strategy. Even Cadillac is staying alive on gussied up badge engineered SUV’s and losing barges full of cash on the differentiated products.

      3. neight428 Avatar
        neight428

        GM sells a zillion trucks and then spends the rest of its effort mixing it up the midsize CUV segment among the price/feature/value equations with everyone else from Hyundai to Lincoln. Buick would likely been killed off as well, but apparently the Chinese market liked them. I’m still not sure why GMC still exists as a brand except that interspersing another trim level between those offered by Chevrolet must be a winning strategy. Even Cadillac is staying alive on gussied up badge engineered SUV’s and losing barges full of cash on the differentiated products.

    3. neight428 Avatar
      neight428

      They could say “Hey, it’s cheaper than an Audi E-tron”, provided that’s true.

      1. Sjalabais Avatar
        Sjalabais

        Reminds me of the “drive your Volvo like you hate it”-ad, that ends in “cheaper than psychiatry”.