Renaults Surprise at Carlisle Imports 2013

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Every spring Carlisle hosts an impressive variety of French machinery, and this year was no exception with the best selection of French cars on the east coast. The Renault club once again put on an impressive show, displaying a ridiculously awesome group of automobiles in its indoor pavilion, like a minty Renault Fuego and a Matra Bonnet Djet. And the Citroen contingent didn’t disappoint either, having everything from a 2CV to a Citroen CX on the field.

About the only French marque that was underrepresented was Peugeot, with just a handful of cars. But the sheer variety of other French automobiles at Carlisle more than made up for this sparse showing, and showgoers were treated to such rarities like a pair of Peugeot 403s and a pair of Renault 5s. Not Le Cars, but specifically 5s. Let’s take a look at what French automobiles made the trip to Carlisle this year.

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This particular 1985 example is owned by Stephane Larivee, who drove it all the way down from Quebec. Le Cars have appeared at Carlisle before, but this may be the first year that an actual Renault 5 did.

traction 1

A nice Traction Avant, this was one of two representatives of this model at Carlisle this year. These aren’t quick cars, and there are relatively few of them in the mid-Atlantic states, so it was no surprise that there are only a couple Traction Avants that make it out to Carlisle every year. Not particularly awesome interstate cruisers, these things. But then again, neither are 2CVs.

403 1

A nicely kept Peugeot 403B owned by Jim Schlick, who is perhaps the best known Peugeots collector in the country. He bought this particular example from Dave Hackett in Westport, Connecticut, who was a Peugeot dealer till the late 1980s. This is a very nicely kept example with an original interior and just one respray, and it’s got only 61K on the clock. Jim put only 10 thousand miles or so on this lovely 403B in the fifteen years that he’s owned it. Not a lot of mileage you would say, until you hear that Jim owns a total of twelve Peugeots. So exercising any one car too much is a time-consuming thing.

renault 16

A nice Renault 16 brought by Matt Cotton. There were only a couple Renault 16s at Carlisle this year, including a rough green example. This example, however, was very nicely kept and appeared to be in solid driver condition.

2cv

A nice little 2CV in a noticeable color. There were only a couple 2CVs at Carlisle this year, and I don’t believe I have seen this particular example at this show before.

citroen cx

One of a couple Citroen CXs that appeared this year at Carlisle. There are usually five to ten of these at this annual show, but this year the field seemed to be somewhat short on this model of Citroen. You will note that this one has its European-spec headlights, as opposed to quad sealed-beams that were installed by CXA Automotive when they were importing these.

furgon

A nice Citroen 2CV Fourgonette, this one is here almost every year. This is of course the little van based on the 2CV, which has become exceedingly popular in California wine country. You hear that? You could be living in northern California and driving cars like this to and from work, instead of putting up with your insane rush-hour traffic and cubicle job.

403 2

Just how many Peugeot 403 can there possibly be in the US? Just a couple dozen, apparently. This was one of two 403 present at Carlisle this weekend, the first 403s that I’ve actually seen in the states as this model is quite rare even in Peugeot circles. Which kind of makes it sound like there’s actually a lot of these Peugeot circles. In reality there aren’t, it’s a very small community.

traction charleston

Another nice Traction Avant, this one looked pretty sharp and managed to turn quite a few heads. The matched wheel covers here are a nice touch, provided you like the two-tone color scheme.

prestige

Another solid CX, this time the long-wheelbase Prestige model. This one seems to have led a hard life, with a ding or two on the body. And this is once again a car fitted with European-spec healights. Having spoken at length to a number of Citroen CX owners, these are not the maintenance nightmare that one imagines these to be, but they are nevertheless quite complex cars, and being buy them as such – for their engineering, rather than for something simple.

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A recently restored 1985 Peugeot 505 GL estate, this car was given in non-working order to Steffen Moller just under a year ago when his 505 Turbodiesel wagon was totaled in an accident. Steffen has since put this example is working order, replacing pretty much the entire interior, and has repainted the car. We look forward to seeing what be brings to Citroen Rendezvous in June.

citroen ds

A nice DS in a very light green color, this one obviously has some panel fit issues that appear to have developed.

sm green

This was a really nicely repainted Citroen SM with the US-spec front fascia. Swapping out the fascia is not quite a plug-and-play operation that one would expect, but it can be done. Sourcing that front fascia, however, is another matter entirely, and typically costs north of a grand. I’ve been trying to talk a couple of my friends into swapping out the US-spec front fascia on the their SMs for a Euro-spec setup, and they’ve all pretty much conceded that it’s in their long term plans for their cars.

renault alliance

One of about ten Renault Alliances that appeared at Carlisle this year was this GTA hardtop example. Despite the relatively small production figures for the top of the line GTA model, it is this version that seems to have had the best survival rate. Actually, it is the GTA cabrio that seems to have the best survival rate of Kenosha-made Renaults.

peugeot 505 black

This was pretty much the sole 505 sedan at Carlisle this year, and it was the rare 1989 model, distinguishable by the European-spec taillights and bumpers. This particular example had great paint, and appeared to be extremely well kept. I am not sure if this example has been repainted though, as I do not remember a single 505 trunklid that only has the 505 badging on it. There were only two 505s at Carlisle this year, a number that was equaled by the 505s that I saw on the way to Pennsylvania and back, which in itself was quite improbable statistically. I saw a 505 sedan on just outside of Boston on the Mass turnpike in traffic, and another 505 just outside of Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, sitting abandoned on shoulder of Interstate 81.

ds white

Another sharp Citroen DS, this was the US-spec model with windowless quad headlights. This one was in good enough shape, and appeared to be a solid driver.

red

This was one of a about ten Renault Alliances at Carlisle this year. The Kenosha-made Alliance was named for the match made in heaven that was the merger of AMC and Renault in the early 1980s, and for a time our roads (mostly in the upper midwest) were filled with Kenosha-made Renaults, as well as cars like the Fuego. And as soon as AMC fell apart and its pieces were absorbed by Chrysler, the Alliances disappeared from our roads as quickly as they appeared. It’s hard to believe now, but more than 623,000 Alliances were made in the US during the 1980s, a staggering number given just  how many of these you’re likely to encounter on our roads now.

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This sharp GTA convertible is perhaps representative of the Renault Alliances that are left, in that they tend to be the top of the line GTA models, and that they tend to be convertibles. I’d like to think that it was the fact that they were fair weather cars that saved most of the convertibles from the crusher, after grandma drove it for the few years and the left it parked in the garage out back. Perhaps it was the price as well, as these tended to go for a premium over the other Kenosha-made Renault models.

That’s it for French cars this year. Well, not quite, as we’re going to see one up close pretty soon. In about a week to be precise.

See the full gallery from Carlisle Import Nationals 2013 below:

[Images: Copyright 2013 Hooniverse/Jay Ramey]

 

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23 responses to “Renaults Surprise at Carlisle Imports 2013”

  1. stigshift Avatar
    stigshift

    There's not much in those photos that I wouldn't love to have.

  2. Van_Sarockin Avatar
    Van_Sarockin

    Do you intentionally show fewer of the cars which the title features? This Renault piece is Citroen heavy, with a strong Pug presence. The Saab feature was mainly Volvo. Ffustrations abound.

    1. Jay_Ramey Avatar
      Jay_Ramey

      Very valid question. Even though the title mentions Renault, this is actually a French car roundup article. I do a German car roundup, a French one, a Japanese one, and a British one for every Carlisle Import Nationals. It's just that I don't wanna call it "Carlisle: The French Cars of 2013" because that's a boring title, and sounds like an encyclopedia entry.
      So the headline is designed to spotlight something that was special out of the French car contingent, or something special out of the Swedish car contingent by calling it out by name, instead of a generic title. I highlight the interesting cars or a newsworthy aspect of the show, such as Saab having 250 cars on the field, and then show the more interesting cars grouped by country.
      Look at it this way for example: titles for Pebble Beach coverage trumpet Bugattis or Delahayes or whatevs, like "Bugattis Bug the Field This Year!" but what percentage of the Pebble Beach field are Bugattis or Delahayes? Less than 5% usually. So while they headline and star at the event, they don't make up the majority of the field. But almost everyone mentions them in the title because they usually win, or because they are judged to be the most special/interesting. Newspaper articles don't even show the rest of the field, as they don't come with a gallery of 100 frames to browse through. So it makes it sound like there were nothing but Bugattis there.
      Similarly, out of 1200 cars at Carlisle, there were about 12 Renaults but about 20-25 Citroens. So the French roundup article is vaguely proportional.
      I realize its counterituitive to some degree, unless one attends about two dozen shows per year, but if I strove for strict proportionality then in the Swedish car article 90% of the cars I would show would be identical Saab 900s. Because that's what the bulk of the Swedish car turnout was. But who wants to read an article that adheres to proportional representation of appearing cars? There would be Saab 900 after Saab 900.
      The Flickr gallery below every post, however, is very proportional to the turnout, I would say about 85-95% on average.

  3. Lotte Avatar
    Lotte

    That's a very appropriate vanity plate on the black 505, then.

  4. Guillaume Avatar
    Guillaume

    Please appreciate the reg 10PARUE from the 505, which phonetically means in French 'Disappeared' . The E at the end stats that this car is a she 🙂

    1. Jay_Ramey Avatar
      Jay_Ramey

      You know, I was wondering what that was but didn't have time to ask the owners, and I knew that someone would point it out to us eventually. Good to know that we have commenters who would know exactly what that meant. I figured it was some French play on words.

  5. Stumack Avatar
    Stumack

    That's not a Canadian market Renault 5 – the Canadian 5/Le Car was essentially identical to the U.S. version with the same fascias.

    1. Jay_Ramey Avatar
      Jay_Ramey

      Updated, thanks
      But isn't it true that the 5 was sold as the 5 in Quebec?

  6. vwminispeedster Avatar
    vwminispeedster

    hngghhhhhhhhhhhh

    1. Maxichamp Avatar

      Shall I do a piece on Canepa in anticipation of next month? What kind of feedback are you getting regarding the caravaning?

      1. vwminispeedster Avatar
        vwminispeedster

        Yes please. INVITE ALL THE HOONS!!! About 5 people emailed me they will meet at Oakland and 4 on FB said they'll meet at Canepa. I'll have room in Jack's CNG P71, or Pop's will be driving Jack's DS. Either way you'll have a comfy seat if you're coming to Oakland.
        For Hoons that have no idea what I'm talking about…. go here….. https://www.facebook.com/events/160851587398372/

  7. Andy Avatar
    Andy

    Welcome to negative-camber land.

  8. Felis_Concolor Avatar
    Felis_Concolor

    Not a single 4-door Alliance in there: a shame, as that body style featured the lower and squared off rear wheel arches.

    1. Jay_Ramey Avatar
      Jay_Ramey

      Yeah, this year there weren't any, but they are perhaps the hardest to find cause they're just sedans and weren't treated as special. Diff story with GTA convertibles, certainly. Even though they were the least numerous Alliance made, they're really the ones that survived.

  9. HTWHLS Avatar
    HTWHLS

    French cars…really…French cars. Who knew??

  10. joedunlap Avatar
    joedunlap

    Renault fun fact. The R16 has different wheelbases on each side!

    1. Don McDallion Avatar
      Don McDallion

      As does the original R5.

  11. Synchromesh Avatar
    Synchromesh

    What happened to my favorite Peugeot 504? Were there any there?

    1. Jay_Ramey Avatar
      Jay_Ramey

      Nope, none this year. Kinda surprised actually, but here's the thing: one of the people who actually has a couple of 504s drove a 403 to Carlisle this year, the silver one above.

  12. Sid Troon Avatar
    Sid Troon

    Hi Jay;
    Thanks for the nice picture of my Traction Avant, it's the blue and black one. As far as driving it on Interstates, it's OK on the empty ones. I come down from New York every year on US 15/I-99, and the car is perfectly happy at 55 mph.
    Will you be at the Saratoga Springs Rendezvous?
    Best Regards, Sid Troon

  13. Don McDallion Avatar
    Don McDallion

    I thought there were closer to twenty Renaults at Carlisle this year if you count various Renault powered cars. I building R there were two Fuegos, an S2 Europa and a Matra Bonnet, both of the latter 17 Gordini powered. There was a Sport Spyder and both of the Spec Racers had the original 1.7 Alliance engines. There were seven GTAs/convertibles and you mentioned the two sixteens and two R5 and there was a fibreglass bodied car from Florida in building R. that would be 19 cars. I have pictures of all but the 2.2 Fuego in a set on Flickr.
    It was nice to see your picture of my gold-wheeled GTA.
    Don

    1. Don McDallion Avatar
      Don McDallion

      Oh, and I forgot Marvin's very rare in the USA, Super Cinq. Or was that the second five you were counting. On reflection, I can't think of another.
      Don

      1. Don McDallion Avatar
        Don McDallion

        Oh, and I forgot Marvin's very rare in the USA, Super Cinq. Or was that the second five you were counting. On reflection, I can't think of another. Also there was an R10 from a local used car dealer. You actually have its picture on Flickr, which was what reminded me.
        Don