Hooniverse Parting Shot: The 10th Generation of the Ford Thunderbird; A Bargain you should know about.

The 1997 Thunderbird LX. Beige is never a best color for any car, but it's criminal with this one.

What late-model (less than 15 years old), V8-powered four-seater with an independent rear suspension can you often buy for less than $3,000? If you answered the 1991 to 1997 Ford Thunderbird, pat yourself on the back. You guessed right. And if you knew this, you probably bleed Ford Blue Oval Blue.

The 1989 – 1991 Thunderbird.

Thunderbird is an historic and important brand within the Ford Motor Company that seems to be filed away for the moment while the company re-invents itself in the face of growing economic uncertainty. Currently benefiting from the missteps of rivals Toyota, General Motors, and Chrysler, Ford is poised to become the largest selling car company in North America with new or refreshed models that seem to strike a chord with potential buyers. Unfortunately, a Thunderbird model is not among the mix–which I find rather sad, because it could have been a key player in a market where the car-buying public craves a domestically built full-sized two-door coupe or convertible… and an affordable alternative to such cars as the Audi A5, the BMW 6 Series, the Lexus SC, and the Infiniti G.
The Interior of the 1993 Thunderbird SC.

The closest the Thunderbird ever came to rivaling the European competition was the tenth-generation coupe, built between 1989 and 1997. This was the longest run of a single generation of Thunderbirds ever, with many of its predecessors running as little as three model years. The size and shape mimicked the outgoing BMW E24 6 Series coupes, right down to the “Hoffmeister Kink” at the base of the rear window. This was a deliberate attempt to start moving the Thunderbird to a more up-market position (using the same tactic Acura did when they introduced the Legend Coupe almost two years before the new T-Bird was unveiled). Ford also broke with the past by offering a fully independent rear suspension, a feature found only in expensive sports cars or high-end luxury models. Only the T-Bird (as well as the companion Mercury Cougar) and Chevrolet’s Corvette offered a fully independent suspension available on a domestically produced rear-wheel-drive platform.
Hmmmm, I wonder if anyone really knows what this is…

Initially, the engine choices were modest, with only the 3.8-liter Essex V6 available for the first three years, along with a 3.8-liter supercharged version available only in the Super Coupe model (more on that later). The base V6 was rather lacking in power output, with only 140 horsepower available. Acceleration times were leisurely, and it was only available with Ford’s AOD four-speed automatic. If you didn’t want the Super Coupe variant but did want a little more power, you were out of luck until the 1991 model year, when Ford shoehorned the Windsor 5.0 V8. This engine produced 200 horsepower and 275 lb-ft of torque, which was a gain of 35 horsepower over the last Thunderbird equipped with a V8 (1988). The television program Motorweek tested the new V8 T-Bird and saw 0-60 runs of 9.2 seconds–almost two seconds faster than the V6, but still not as fast as the Super Coupe version. Once again, the only transmission available was the Ford AOD Automatic.
A facelift marked the 1994 model year, with crisper fascias and a redesigned interior that replaced the motorized seatbelts with a modern dual-airbag setup. The V8 was also replaced with the more modern “Modular” SOHC (single overhead cam) V8 displacing 4.6 liters. The engine produced five more horsepower than the Windsor 5.0 liter but actually lacked the torque one would expect from a Detroit V8. It was smoother and, when coupled with the new 4R70W electronically controlled automatic, faster than the previous edition. The engine was more than 40 pounds lighter, fully dressed, and had a more direct throttle responsiveness, due to Fords EEC-V powertrain control module. With a best-in-class interior and updated styling, this should have been a record-setting year for the Thunderbird. It was not, as sales started to slide from their high point only a year earlier.
OK, three guesses at what this image represents, and the first two don't count!

The last refresh for this generation of Thunderbird came in 1996. The Super Coupe had been discontinued the year before, and only the base and an “LX” version were offered. Ford was ready to pull the plug on both the T-Bird and its corporate sibling, the Mercury Cougar. The V8 actually made five more horsepower as well as a major increase in torque, to 290 lb-ft. Styling was enhanced with a new grille–the first in this generation of T-Birds–and smooth body side cladding. Sales continued to tumble though, and Ford tried to keep costs to a minimum by using leftover wheels paired with special-option packages, minimizing ornamentation, and changing instrumentation to mimic the panel used in Taurus and Sable models. The final MN-12 Thunderbird was built in Lorain, Ohio on 4 September 1997. This plant was being converted to produce the new Mercury Villager and Nissan Quest minivans.
Why would anyone be interested in acquiring the last of the four- to five-passenger V8-equipped T-Birds, a model that is all but forgotten in today’s market? Two reasons. They are often quite inexpensive to purchase on places like eBay or Craigslist, and they are equally inexpensive to maintain. Where else can you purchase a large coupe with average prices ranging from $1,500 for a 1990 V6 to $3,340 for a last-year 1997 V8 equipped LX coupe? These are suggested retail numbers from Kelly Blue Book, so dollar figures are a little on the high side and are based on condition and mileage (I used 50,000 miles for both).
The ass end of the 1996 Thunderbird LX

So, what do you get for the money? You get one of the last large two-door coupes offered by Ford, with a style reminiscent of the BMW 6 Series (not a bad comparison!). You get reliable Ford engines, whether the 5.0-liter Windsor or the 4.6-liter Modular–motors that are stout and easy to maintain. You also get a blank slate if you want to modify your purchase into a “stealth” performance car. Almost everything available for the Mustang will fit into these cars, from engine modifications to larger brakes. You can also swap the Super Coupe suspension components to the V8 LX and have the best of both worlds. Upgrade the suspension and brakes, add performance enhancements to the engine, swap out the standard seats for Mustang Recaros (a direct bolt-in), and, for less than 10 grand, you have a killer muscle car that’s not a Mustang or a Camaro! And that’s my Parting Shot. Read more of my Retrospective and Recently Deceased columns at Automotive Traveler.

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  1. M44Power Avatar

    If memory serves, Kenny Brown made a supercharger setup for this gen T-bird that turned it into a real undercover monster.

  2. P161911 Avatar

    Love these cars. I had a 92 T-Bird S/C with a 5-speed. It wasn't the quickest car off the line, but something with the gearing made it where very few cars could touch it from about 45-100mph. If you want cheap to maintain avoid cars equipped with ABS. The leak prone ABS module is $1500, a good chuck of change for a part on a $3000 car. I have a friend with a 92 S/C that is in the process of trying to fix his with junkyard and ebay parts now.
    These 5.0L V-8s lost a good bit of power in these cars because they had to scrunch up the intake and exhaust to fit. When designed the idea was if you wanted power to get the supercharged V-6 engine. Customers didn't accept a T-Bird without a V-8.
    Personally, at this point I, if I wanted an MN-12 I would go with a Lincoln Mk VIII LSC. In the Lincoln you could get the 290HP 4.6 DOHC, basically the Mustang Cobra motor of the time. My dad had one for a while, put over 200k miles on it and loved it as a road car, handled pretty well too. The air suspension is pretty easy to swap out for a conventional one. I have read, don't know if it is true or not, that Lincoln got engines that were exactly in the middle of the spec. For example if a dimension was 1.00" +/- 0.02, Lincoln got the ones that measure 1.00", Ford got the ones that measured 1.02"
    OK UDMan, have you been looking at what I have driven, this makes two days in a row with cars I have owned. Are C4 Vettes, 4th Gen F-Bodies, 1987-1995 F-150s, or Z3s next?

  3. Goingincirclez Avatar

    Ah, excellent choice! Having owned two of these (one still in possession) and being familiar with two more, I can attest to everything you say.
    The MN12 was a star-crossed platform. Seriously overbudget, overweight, and many months late*, it was considered a dismal failure internally by Ford and sparked the rolling of several heads. Who could argue with them? The car was NOT originally intended to lack a V8 in favor of a supercharged 6 – it was designed largely on paper and wind tunnels, and only too late did they realize the 5.0 wouldn’t fit! Both the upper intake and the cowl had to be reworked to finally allow a happy marriage – only adding to the expense, after the damage had already been done.
    Damage in the form of a world-class chassis that handles its heft well, but with any aspirations of competing with Europe's dashed by that accursed 3.8 v6. Overmatched and slower than ketchup in stock form, and a guaranteed reliability nightmare in SC form (not that a stock 3.8 has the greatest reputation itself) – the 3.8 sealed this car’s rep as a pretty poser of broken promises.
    But as you say, a V8 is a totally different beast that belies the car's true potential. I wrung the snot out of mine and it always begged for more; with Pirelli rain tires it spat in the face of physics – 3600 pounds crossed-up in a corner yet handling on rails in the wet? YES! The 4.6 in my '97 was absolutely bulletproof, as I've attested to in other places….

    1. Goingincirclez Avatar

      Unfortunately, in Ford's typically schizophrenic fashion, they dared not make a car that could compete with their Mustang cash cow. Guys on TCCOA.com have mastered inexpensive bolt-ons to easily compete and outclass; why Ford never made this an option during the MN12's arguably overstayed welcome is a mystery. Instead, Ford left the MN12's styling grow stale over 9 years – new fascias every 2 or 3 were not enough. Instead of removing weight, they added it – the '96-97 cladding is horrid and literally gives the car fat rolls in its ass (I swapped mine for a ’94 bumper). The '94-up interior is truly a driver's joy, but decontenting in late '96 confused it with a Taurus. Ford was so pissed at this car, they refused to invest in it when millions of Explorers were fattening the coffers. Boo!
      When buying a V8 MN12, look for the ’96-97 sport package, a stealth option betrayed only by the 16” Chysler minivan (WTF!) wheels shown in UDman’s last picture. You get the bigger wheels, better brakes from the Mark VIII, and a tweaked suspension. The only weak point is the OEM plastic intake on the 4.6 which WILL crack at some point; any survivors should have had this fixed by now but a low-mileage car won’t be covered. You'll appreciate the size if you have more than one friend, and the trunk is generous.

      1. Richard Avatar
        Richard

        I own a 1997 T-bird I've had since 2000. I bought it used with 46k on it and it is now over 201k and still going. I'll echo what others said about the intake manifold (replaced twice now), and add the heater core is another design flaw (multiple failures.) Yet the engine and trans are still strong. I'm considering doing the PI head-swap on it and keeping it longer, even though I bought a 2008 Mustang to replace it (I didn't have the heart to get ride of the T-bird like I'd planned.) And with all the Mustang Gt 4.6L add-ons you can get, I'm really interested in making it a sleeper. 🙂

  4. mix3d3m0ti0n5 Avatar

    Ah-hA! The car that I hoon the most!!! (and finally come out of lurkdom).
    There is one horrible flaw that besets most of the 96/97 4.6L engines: the dreaded plastic intake manifold hairline cracking. Our family has had three '97s and EACH of them have had this happen at varying mileages. Mine was the first to go. Still, otherwise, like you said, maintenance is a breeze, overall.
    I love the MN-12s and the 87/88 Cougar/Tbird (and the Mark VII and VIII, too). I will drive mine into the ground. With 143K it has lots of life left. I don't think GIC will ever forgive me for "forcing" him to sell his '97, but hey, I "let" him keep the '88 for a project car, and we will get the '91 cougar running again.
    Did I say how many of these are in my family? '88 (dreaded 3.8 engine), '94, 2 '97's currently our immediate. '91 cougar in the barn. Uncle has an '88 V8; a cousin has 85 in storage. My dad parked the Angstmobile and replaced it with a Mark VII that was in the garage as often that it was running. That beast left for good.
    My brother's first car was an '84 T'bird that he wrecked. We have had '83 and an '87 cougar passed through the family, as well as an '89. and the aforementioned '97 we sold. Did I say that I like the Fox and MN-12's? (or does that go without saying??)
    Still, my heart fondly remembers most another Thunderbird: Sunday afternoon drives as a child with my dad in our '57. Sadly, it too has left the stable which GIC can tell the story better than I. I loved that car.

  5. LTDScott Avatar

    I owned a '95 Tbird 4.6 for a few years. What a great highway cruiser. It was so quiet and smooth that anyone who drove it soon found themselves exceeding the speed limit unknowingly. But a muscle car it is not. The stock 4.6L isn't exactly a powerhouse, and the 112mph speed limit and fat weight of the car limited its performance.

  6. Tanshanomi Avatar

    "…for less than 10 grand, you have a killer muscle car that’s not a Mustang or a Camaro!"
    Bless you for thinking that last bit is important. It is the infinite re-imagining of existing components that keeps my interest in motoring refreshed. Or, to paraphrase Alexander Pope, “Whether the charmer sinner it or saint it, if folly grow romantic, I must wrench it.”

  7. ptschett Avatar

    One of my very favorite cars. I'm going to miss my hooned-to-death 190k-mile '96 when it's gone. The stock 4R70W is a weak point on 4.6L V8 cars, I took out the reverse clutch on tranny #1 at 84k and the 2nd gear one-way clutch on tranny #2 at 135k, which has lead to #3 which will be the last one this car gets from me and which is built roughly per the transmission article on TCCoA.

  8. muthalovin Avatar

    A classmate in highschool had the 3.8 superchaged, and he drove that thing like he stole it. Always with the squealing into the parking lot, tearing ass from a green, and pretty much going anywhere well above posted speeds. I kept waiting for that motor to explode, but it never did. Built Ford tough I suppose.

  9. soo΄pәr-bādd75 Avatar

    I absolutely loved the SC when it came out! A guy down the street from where my buddy lived had one, and I drooled all over it. It was the closest thing any of the domestics built to a Euro style luxury coupe. I never understood why they weren't more popular.

  10. James Avatar

    I think you should have touched on the SuperCoupe more. I mean the 5.0 Windsor and 4.6 Modular are great motors, but the 3.8 S/C made way more torque than either: 335lb -ft if I remember right? Especially fun with a smaller blower pulley and the Tremec T-5 manual trans.
    How've you been, Jim?

    1. P161911 Avatar

      The S/C didn't have the Tremec T-5, it was the Mazda M5OD-2 5-speed from the F-150. Ford didn't think the T-5 could handle the torque of the 3.8 S/C.

  11. Goingincirclez Avatar

    Alpine Green… my favorite "cops can never describe it" color. Except when you have to try and touch it up.
    <img src="http://goingincirclez.com/Kaleid2G/Albums/97TBirdSold/DriversSide.jpg&quot; width=600>

  12. mix3d3m0ti0n5 Avatar

    sweet. at least it isn't black. <s>all </s> most of what you see out there are black. I looked high and low to find mine and the price I wanted when I bought it in '98 with 23K miles on it. I really didn't want a black one. When the '88 finally gave itself up, GIC and I found his '97 and I do believe you have the same color.
    Neither of my car's wrecks were completely our fault. The first I was turning left onto from an access road of a main highway and couldn't see super well, and ending having a dodge neon slam into me. Totaled their car (pretty sure they were speeding) as I had clear road when I made way in the intersection confirmed by a witness. Pushed their radiator into their engine and cracked it. I had just made the first car payment on it and had it about 6 weeks (after searching nearly a half year for the "perfect" car….).
    Second wreck, a Toyota Camry (85% of the cars on the road around here) misjudged her distance to turn left off a main road and slammed on her breaks directly into GIC's path. The ironic bit, besides being hit in the same spot, we had just made the very last car payment on it.

  13. njhoon Avatar

    I love these so much I had one for 10 years. I had a 94 V8, that I eventually put a suspension kit and 17 Cobra R rims. That thing handled like it was on glue paper. I miss it. BTW, mine could cruise at 115 mph all day.
    As anf FYI, a manual trans won't fit stock, you need to modify the shifter. A guy over at TCCOA has the mod already.

    1. LTDScott Avatar

      You must have had a chip to cruise at that speed. They were computer limited to 112.

      1. njhoon Avatar

        I never put one in but a guy who worked on for me said he 'fixed it' once and it did seems quite a bit quicker after that. So I assume he might have. The NY State Trooper who pulled me over once was a little perplexed that his rader gun said 118 mph….. so much that I got only a seat belt ticket. (added to the fact that he knew my brother)

  14. SVT2888 Avatar

    I have a 97 Lx. It is actually my third T-bird. My first was a 96 which I stuffed into a center divider with both ends. It had 175k miles when it died. I also had a 93 SC for about a month. I sold that one to my younger brother who needed a car for college. He blew the engine on that thing after only owning it for a few months. It had 176k miles when it died.
    My current 97 is beat to all hell, has well over 200k miles. Hasn't been washed in months and I drive it like I stole it. I had 18×9 Cobra R's all around but one of them cracked so now I have the stock fan blades up front and cobra's in the rear. The car is quite the sleeper and it surprises quite a few people.
    The list of mods is:
    2003 Explorer V8 (all aluminum)
    Steeda Underdrive Pulleys
    BBK Cold Air Intake
    70MM Intake Plenum and Throttle body
    Cobra Injectors
    PBR brakes
    1 1/4" Addco Rear bar
    PI torque converter
    93 Mark VIII aluminum driveshaft
    3.73 TL rear with ceramic clutches
    True-Dual exhaust with only a mid-mounted dual in dual out Magnaflow muffler
    150-mph SHO speedo
    H&R Lowering springs
    Sport front shocks and Bilstein rear shocks from an 03 Cobra
    That's all I can remember off the top of my head…. 😛

    1. mix3d3m0ti0n5 Avatar

      Mine has been wrecked twice (funny story, actually) in essentially the same spot: front fender, passenger side. The second time was a bit more severe and the hood had to be painted. I keep naggin' that something needs to be done as the paint job was hideous. GIC gives me a word of wisdom, thanks to Hooniverse, I can better appreciate: my doesn't have bad paint, it has patina. Can't beat that and just adds to it character and essence, like the busted locks from the attempted break in and the rear driver quarter panel dent due to the lady in the parking lot with her new Jeep Liberty (you may not fess up to it lady, but you know that *I* know), and the random nicks and scratches. I love my car

      1. SVT2888 Avatar

        My first one was bought salvage and had been wrecked on the right front. Then it got several more salvage titles from wrecks involving the right front. I think it was declared a total loss of 4 times. Three of the incidents were right front damage. When I finally killed it the right front was the first side to hit! lol
        Only the final accident was my fault BTW ;-P
        <img src="http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a374/SVT2888/thunderbird/front.jpg&quot; border="0" alt="Photobucket">

        1. Goingincirclez Avatar

          Alpine Green… my favorite "cops can never describe it" color. Except when you have to try and touch it up.
          <img src="http://goingincirclez.com/Kaleid2G/Albums/97TBirdSold/DriversSide.jpg&quot; width="600/">

          1. mix3d3m0ti0n5 Avatar

            I have to admit, I do miss seeing this car in the driveway. I don't miss have that extra vehicle (and it's expenses) to keep up with.

        2. mix3d3m0ti0n5 Avatar

          sweet. at least it isn't black. <s>all </s> most of what you see out there are black. I looked high and low to find mine and the price I wanted when I bought it in '98 with 23K miles on it. I really didn't want a black one. When the '88 finally gave itself up, GIC and I found his '97 and I do believe you have the same color.
          Neither of my car's wrecks were completely our fault. The first I was turning left onto from an access road of a main highway and couldn't see super well, and ending having a dodge neon slam into me. Totaled their car (pretty sure they were speeding) as I had clear road when I made way in the intersection confirmed by a witness. Pushed their radiator into their engine and cracked it. I had just made the first car payment on it and had it about 6 weeks (after searching nearly a half year for the "perfect" car….).
          Second wreck, a Toyota Camry (85% of the cars on the road around here) misjudged her distance to turn left off a main road and slammed on her breaks directly into GIC's path. The ironic bit, besides being hit in the same spot, we had just made the very last car payment on it.

  15. jjd241 Avatar
    jjd241

    I've had a 91 with the 6 for a few years now. While not as fast as the SC or an 8, not bad pickup. I've gotten as high as 29.8 on the freeway, and that was with it crammed to the gills with camping gear. It's a nice freeway cruiser.

  16. Sarah Trammell Avatar
    Sarah Trammell

    My first car was a 1995 Ford Thunderbird, which I got as a high school graduation gift. It was a good car, and I had it for about nine and a half years. By that time I was ready for something different and was looking at smaller SUV and crossover wagon type vehicles. I also wanted to try a four-door vehicle. I bought a Toyota Matrix and drove it and then a four-door Volkswagen Golf for the next thirteen years. The Matrix and Golf were both good cars, but I had visibility issues with these cars that I just didn’t remember having with the Thunderbird. I wondered if going back to a two-door body style would help. I traded in my 2012 Golf for another 2012 model with two doors, and it was a night-and-day difference. I really wish that two-door vehicles were more popular, with more vehicles like the two-door Golf and my 1995 Thunderbird being made. I love the hatchback style but could easily see myself going back to a car like the Thunderbird if I had a second vehicle that I could use for hauling.

  17. Bret Thompson Avatar
    Bret Thompson

    Very dependable…happy to have a warranty though. It helped on one major bill. But great ride and no minors issues. Loved the look of this car. Kind of want one back.

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