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Mr. Mosher, please don’t speak for all of us

Jeff Glucker October 18, 2013 All Things Hoon 111 Comments


Dave Mosher of Popular Science, or PopSci as the kids call it, took to YouTube to get something off of his chest. He is a Millennial… and he wants nothing to do with the cars of right now. Apparently, there is no automaker producing a product that he, or the generation he has decided to speak for, wants to buy. Per Mosher, his generation wants to ditch the driver’s seat, run on a national electric power grid to recharge a vehicle, and have said vehicle be offered up at an affordable price.

Click past the break to see what Mosher is going on about… and then keep reading for a rebuttal.

The fun part about this country is that everyone is entitled to their own opinion. The fun part about owning your own automotive website is that you can dismiss the opinions of others and posit your own. I agree with Mosher on a few points, actually. I think it would be nice to have driverless cars that can recharge themselves on a grid network… in an urban environment. That way the Millennial who can’t look up from his iPhone 12 for 15 damn minutes won’t crash into me causing us both to take out the 15 fixie-riding hipsters who were hoping to get the good seat at Starbucks, where everyone can see that they’re hard at work on their book/screenplay/t-shirt company.

All of things that Mosher is asking for are already in development. These things take time so that the 2020 Skynet-equipped Prius you’re riding in doesn’t go all HAL on you and crash into the local Whole Foods. These things are also expensive to develop and implement. That cost has to be passed down to the consumer, which means the first run of cars that Mosher would actually buy will be rather pricey. He also says he doesn’t need a car with fancy electronics… when that’s exactly what he would be riding in. I stole that last line from my friend Nelson Ireson who wrote up a much better rebuttal to this video over at MotorAuthority, go check that out.

Mr. Mosher, I don’t think you’re crazy for wanting the type of vehicle you’ve described. I just think you’re crazy to think it can happen as easily as you believe. Additionally, don’t speak for all of us “Millennials” (eww, I can’t believe I am identifying as one) because a lot of us don’t just enjoy driving our cars… we love it. It’s a passion, and it’s not going to go away.

You can have my steering wheel when you pry it from my cold dead hands.

  • RichardKopf

    No thanks, I'll drive myself.

  • He looks like he used to get beaten up a lot in high school.

    Wait, are there still fights in high schools, or do kids just write on each other FB pages?
    If so, that's sad…

    • FuzzyPlushroom

      I graduated four years ago, when Facebook was common but not yet ubiquitous. Where I went to school, he would have been mocked mercilessly until he grouped up with the nerds (at which point he'd still be mocked, but in a more familiar tone) or the spooky alternative kids (at which point most people would figure that he might burn down their house, and leave him alone unless he started something with them).

      I never got into a fight in school, but then, I never really started shit.

      At any rate, I might well be in the minority these days… who knows.

      • Jay_Ramey

        Four years ago was 2009… Just where did you go to school for FB to not be ubiquitous? : )

        • FuzzyPlushroom

          It was by the time I graduated, but I didn't give enough of a damn about most of my classmates. Through most of my high school career, it wasn't.

    • MVEilenstein

      Facebook? You mean Twitter, surely?

    • Jay_Ramey

      Few people are fit enough to get into actual fights nowadays, except rasslers and other atha-letes.

      • Plus, kids these days are constantly hammered with messages about the evils of bullying and the importance of accepting those who are different. Not saying that's not for the better but the high school experience is very different from the one I had. I've never been an especially aggressive person but I (and everyone I knew) had my share of scrapes back in those days.

    • notadoktor

      Don't worry fights still happen. Granted it's usually about something that happened on Facebook but punches are still thrown. Granted I graduated in 2009 but there was plenty of blood.

  • acarr260

    I, for one, am fine with not having him on the road. He wants the most technologically advanced car ever produced that runs on "free" (national grid) energy and drives itself for cheap?! He should get busy building it, because I don't see that happening otherwise anytime soon.

  • Also… want a cheap electric vehicle that you don't have to drive?

    • BradleyBrownell

      You would.

    • MVEilenstein

      Exactly my thought. We already have a network of vehicles that drive themselves.

      • labcoatguy

        They're called taxis. -James May

        • Nuclearspork

          So electric taxis and that fixes most of his problems. Even the affordability is solved since you don't have to buy a taxi just pay per the mile.

    • DemonXanth

      With EVs:
      Fast and long range
      Charges quickly

      Pick 1.

      GM could easily build an EV that could be sold for $10k, but they won't because nobody would buy it since it'd be a steamy pile of a golf cart.

  • FuzzyPlushroom

    That's okay, Dave. My car hates you too, and wishes it could achieve abysmal fuel economy and enormous smoke clouds like one of the cars before it could.

    I understand his point – yes, there are people who don't care about driving and yes, it's a shame that those people have to use our resources. I still believe that the answer is mass transit that's worth a damn, slightly tougher licensing requirements, and, if necessary, a higher gas tax. For all Britain's faults, it seems to work for them – although I'm not in favour of having a separate endorsement be required to drive a real car, should you take your test in an automatic. (That said, there are far more places in the States where one cannot do without a car – perhaps a graduated fuel tax on gas stations within a certain distance of a mass transit stop, or something.)

  • Elon Musk

    Mr. Mosher, please send me your resume.

    • MVEilenstein

      He doesn't have one. I think that's what makes him qualified.

  • Robby DeGraff

    Jeff bravo, couldn't agree more. I shake my head at this kid

  • I am going to dust off this oldie but goodie:

    Christ, what an asshole.

  • BradleyBrownell

    I am a millenial (I also hate identifying as one), and I have a love/hate relationship with cars.

    I am a car fanatic, I just wish they weren't so damned expensive. Or perhaps that employers would pay me more.

    Maybe I don't have a love/hate relationship with cars. Maybe I love cars, but I have a love/hate relationship with the current state of the US economic system.

    • Go make more money! This is a great country to do so in!

      • BradleyBrownell

        I completely agree that its a great place to do such a thing.

        In fact, I am currently endeavoring to do just that. I have gotten a useful education, I have worked extremely hard to become knowledgeable in my industry and to become as indispensable as possible to my employer. I also work a second job (nights and weekends) and as of last month, I started my own company.

        It'll come with time and effort, but the world kinda sucks for a 26 year old right now. Inflation is a bitch, unemployment is quite high (with more people looking for jobs, employers can pay less because it's a buyer's market), and cost of living is pretty high right now comparative to historic data.

        Unlike some of my generation, I don't expect a hand out, I work hard for what I get. Is it too much to ask for a small fun car to be affordable?

        • KoshNaranek

          I am afraid the Macroeconomics are against you if you are looking at historical data. After World War 2, the US was the only economy left standing. Now there are many countries with factories and the brains to use them. The Euro is becoming a reserve currency large world banks are mobilizing their reserves of dollars and hoarding euros as a diversification of their assets. Combine this with the current Federal reserve policy of cheap money and the dollar value is dropping. The real reason gas prices went up is not the price of gas per se, it is the drop in buying power of the dollar. Your cost of living drives from these factors. I am not a fan of protectionism, but a flat worldwide economy will only drive our lifestyle toward that seen in China or India.

    • Nightvid Cole

      Same here, sorta…

  • And, for those who still think these so-called millennials don't have a sense of self-entitlement, bam there is your answer: make me a cheap state-of-the-art gadget which takes all responsibility off me so that I can play with my cell phone, and make it usable at anytime, run of free energy, and make it so that my broke ass could could afford… and I'm broke because I spend my money of fancy coffee and…OMFG, iPad7, now with uber-resolution and headphone jack on the side!! I must have it!!! Mommy!!!

    Gawddamnit, where's the Tylenol?

    • BradleyBrownell

      Some millenials have a sense of self-entitlement, but isn't that the fault of their parents?

    • Jay_Ramey

      Kamil, Kamil, calm down… When you were his age, didn't you feel like you absolutely had to be chauffeured around in an electric car, so that you could do whatevs in the back seat and not pay attention to other pesky humans in traffic (and bicyclists) while desiring to avoid feeling bad for your car contributing to greenhouse gases (as if its annual output of exhaust is not cancelled out by one passenger jet just idling for 5 minutes at the gate)?

    • Vairship

      Millennials don't have a monopoly on wanting the impossible and feeling entitled to getting their way.

      Why was the government shut down again? Same thing, but from the angry gray hairs.

      • Brian Driggs

        Sooth. Stereotyping is a pretty feeble way of countering stereotypes.

        The larger issue is why do so many people with unprecedented freedom and potential still feel like companies need to pay then more? The only thing stopping anyone – a wage slave myself included – from having the machines they want – cars which do both – is companies unwilling to pay them more?

        I saw a Facebook post yesterday where a guy was poised because a web/print design job listing wanted a degree and 4 years experience for less than$20k. Dude. You have the skills and say you put forth the effort. Why don't you start your own company?

        Entitlement is something everyone needs to overcome. Nobody owes you shit. The sooner you stop letting others dictate your worth and start demonstrating your skills, the dinner you can have the shiny baubles you desire.

  • His father must be very proud.

  • MadMopar

    This goof is part of the entilment generation, they want everything, don't want to invent or develope anything. Just to have someone else do it for him. PLEASE stay in NYNY and stay away from the rest of the USA.

    That being said. perhaps he could get out of his Ipad/Ipod/Ieverything and go do something about it instead of just complaining! Are you doing anything to make this dream grid happen, or just babbling about it. SPOILED ROTTEN had everything brat.

  • Okierover

    Good luck with that hippie.

  • Jojo

    " These things are also expensive to develop and implement." Which you can help fund by buying current generation cars…

  • MVEilenstein

    It's hard to comment on this without getting political, so let me offer my opinion thus: there are people in this world who believe the solution to their (perceived) problems is government action, in the form of mandates, taxes, compulsory behavior. Then there are those who believe the solution to their (perceived) problems is personal responsibility, hard work, and entrepreneurial spirit. I will let you decide which of those people Mr. Mosher is.

    By the way, I might fall into the category, but I refuse to identify as one.

  • In the name of getting people who shouldn't be driving out of the driver's seat, I'd agree that I am in favor of driverless cars. I'd never own one unless I was somehow disabled from driving, and in an ideal world, my state would be willing to fund mass transit, so I wouldn't need one. But that's far from the case for the foreseeable future. If a consumer could make their own mind up about being taken somewhere without having to drive, and without the state being able to say "no", it could be much safer out there. In Florida, things are very spread out. You can't get anywhere without a car. And it's hot and extremely humid, so even if you can walk, you usually don't. That said, I agree, this guy is pretty unrealistic and demanding.

    Also, millennials didn't start until '81. I am Gen X. That's my story and I'm sticking to it! I am pretty broke most of the time, but I don't follow any of their trends in anything else.

    • Kris_01

      Thank you! I was born in January 1980 – no "millennial" here, I was graduating high school and working at a damn job before most of these entitled little shits made it out of elementary school.

  • GTXcellent

    Why do the NYC hipsters get to be the voice of the millennial generation?

    I'm a Gen X'er (man I hate these generational labels/titles) who lives in the midwest (sorry there Bruce 305-244-5790) so I can't relate to or comprehend any of the gibberish Mr Mosher is spewing. With that disclaimer, I've never personally met anyone his age who thinks like he does. All the kids I know still aspire to have their own, personal means of mobility (and I'm not talking about a Huffy). So why does Mosher become spokesman for the millennial generation? The old squeaky wheel gets the grease? Or am I really that out of touch with "today's youth"?

  • boostedlegowgn

    I repeat:


    And, when too close for missiles, guns.

  • Mike

    Speaking as a 23yr old American male.
    I want cars that are more about sport than comfort and about driver involvement more than the toys they have. I don't want that hipster Prius-driving car of the future. I want to drive myself, I will accept nothing else. You can take my European sports sedans from my cold dead hands, as they've already taken enough from my cold empty wallet.

    • BurnerBob

      Or my BRZ!

  • Devin

    Every day I use a computer.

    Every day I become less likely to trust a computer to get me to my destination safely.

    Every day I become less likely to understand why anyone would trust a computer to get to a destination safely. If something crashes or has some sort of glitch in my office I lose a bit of data, but it's still a convenient bit of tech. If that happens on the street I've crashed into something and am possibly injured or dead, which is not convenient.

    I dunno if I'm a millenial, whatever that is, and considering all my friends are looking for cars with manual transmissions I don't know how representative our group is.

  • j84

    As a millennial, this guy does not speak for me. This guy could use a heavy dose of common sense with a side of objectivity. I would love to have a flying car that operated by the sound of my voice and spewed fluffy bunnies out the tail pipe but that's not reality. It would do this guy a lot of good to talk to a WW2 vet or someone from that generation and learn what it's really like to work with what you have and make the best of it, not sit around and complain that the world hasn't bent to his ideas.

  • I'm a 20 year old IT guy.

    I went and bought a 16 year old, well neglected Saab that you can't not pay attention to, lest it start pissing vital fluids all over the ground while blaring Pendulum out of one speaker.

    Sometimes when I go over bumps, the steering rack moves up to 1/2" left or right, depending on how the car's feeling that day, changing where the steering wheel centers very slightly.

    I drive it 60+ miles at least 4 days a week for work and school with nary a complaint. Sometimes I even go driving just to drive (around corners very fast,) pretending I'm in a race car as the snow tires scream for mercy.

    I get my hands covered in dirt, grease and oil fixing the car, enjoying the experience of taking apart half of the front of the car trying to fish a tiny screw for the headlight that I dropped into the front bumper skin.

    I am not a Mr. Mosher millenial at all, and never want to be.

  • njhoon

    To quote my father (as I am doing more and more) "If you don't like and want it changed, get off your ass and do something about it. Stop the bitching and do something. If someone else changes it because of your laziness blame only yourself."

    And to Mr. Mosher, shut up. I feel myself about to go on a rant so I'll stop now.

  • JayP2112

    Although my son hasn't watched the video (he is in science class where I hope he turned in his extra credit about aerodynamics) I can have a feeling it'd be, "don't speak for me, Sideburns."

    In the day… how'd you do anything? Had to drive. Turning 16 meant McDonalds at any time, going to see your pal after school, cruising for chicks. The car was an extension of what we wanted to be. We made it shiny, loud, lower, jacked up… Made it ours and we felt a sense of accomplishment.

    Kids (anyone 35 and younger) have their fancy iphones to communicate. Facetwitagram to hit on chicks. The coolest thing for an iphone? An iphone case. Don't bust a knuckle installing that badboy.

    Let them walk to work or to get their pumpkin latte. In fact, let them have their autopilot cars. Just keep them out of my way. A Commodore 64 would have more luck navigating the left lane than some of the dimbulbs I see on my commute.

    Here my son. This was at a C&C, 9am. We got up and out the door at 8am -on a rainy Saturday- because he wanted to see the new Corvette. He knew at the age of 7 what antifreeze tastes like (controlled circumstance!). Likes the smell of burnt rubber and brakes.
    <img src="https://scontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/v/p480x480/1305549_10151960208727853_2107356426_n.jpg?oh=fdc851ae92eef830ef26918a75cd5317&oe=5263BA59&quot; width="400">

    There are more kids like my son. They love cars and have gas in their veins.
    Maybe buy them some tools.

    EDIT- While we're at it, let them have a swig of beer. Let them get a scrape and get dirty. That scar over his eye will look cool to the chicks. (Sorry ladies, my experience is with the male. But I'm not saying a gal with a good story behind a scar is a turn off.)

    • acarr260

      You're doing it right! As a kid, I was enamored with all types of cars. I thought our dump truck was great, and I thought the same of our old farm truck, my grandpa's Jeep FC, my uncle's '69 RS/SS Camaro, and pretty much anything else with an engine.
      On the opposite end of the spectrum… my girlfriend has a son who is almost 16. He didn't even want to take driver's ed – he said he would just wait the extra time to get his license. Blew my f'ing mind! The one time I asked if he wanted to go to C&C, he looked like I was asking him to join a cult. Of course, I grew up on a farm in the middle of nowhere and drove trail bikes and ATV's since I was 8.

  • Scandinavian Flick ★

    Just as is the case with most individuals who claim to speak for a particular group or demographic, that group is very quick to call them on their bullshit. Nobody can speak for an entire group. Why do so many still come forward in an attempt to do so?

    Also, as is the case with most of these things, the only reason it gains so much traction is the vocal group of detractors that give it attention… Should have downloaded the video and rehosted it, so they don't get the page/video views.

    • Devin

      I think the people who want to be a voice for a generation are also the people most unwilling to believe people might have a different lifestyle, different beliefs and different priorities. So whenever they do something that's trying to be the voice of their generation, it's always extremely narrow-minded and kind of ridiculous. The people who can recognize how different everyone is would never dare attempt to say they're the voice of their generation, because they know how stupid it is.

      • Scandinavian Flick ★

        Very true. I've talked to people who simply cannot wrap their head around the possibility that people enjoy driving or even think of cars as a hobby. To them, it's just transportation. For one of them, I tried to compare it to other hobbies, using examples of things they enjoy doing. Still couldn't get it.

        Some people are just dense. Some of that subset have very strong opinions in spite of their obtuseness.

    • Speaking on behalf of the Hoons, you're right.

      • Scandinavian Flick ★

        As an example of how minor punctuation and grammar changes can completely change a sentence…

        Speaking on behalf of Hoons; your right.

        • So that's what the star indicates.

  • VUniverse

    This is funny. My sons, ages 16, 13, and 7 love to watch televised car programs, go to the races, and Cars and Coffee. My 16 year-old drives my sports car, has driven an R8 and Porsche Turbo, and loves to go off-roading in our off-road rig. My other sons will get similar experiences when they reach the driving age.

    My son's friends, including girls, are very much into cars, off-roading, etc… I don't think this "millennial spokesperson" named Dave Mosher is accurately representing his generation. He may be representing those who were guilted into think man-made Global Warming is true and feel that they must do something to save the earth, and hating cars is that something. I doubt this group of guilt-ridden tree hugging millennials accounts for more than 10% of millennials.

  • dropgate

    My son's a millenial. He owns two cars (one of which runs) that are a combined 81 years old. Mr. Mosher, I'm pretty sure you don't speak for him.

  • OA5599

    I hope his dad's shop isn't this place.

    <img src="http://moparmax.com/features/2008/iii_4-moshertour/MOSHERS-01A.jpg"&gt;

    • DemonXanth

      He does look a lot like the dude that's the second from the right.

    • sporty88au

      Could make things awkward if he goes home for the holidays.

  • octavspot

    I think part of our "millennial" generation has a penchant for wanting things that they don't even know they really want, need, or fully understand. It's easy for someone to say, "I want a car that drives itself" when in fact they didn't even take five minutes to read about how an autonomous car functions, or may function.

    Jeff makes this case very clear where he explains that Mr. Mosher doesn't want fancy electronics, yet demands a car incredibly complicated with hardware and software needed to make it work.

    I like how Mosher points the finger at automakers by squarely telling them to "get the government to build a clean, renewable electric grid" and "get it done."

    And who's going to DO it, Mr. Mosher? You?

  • wunno sev

    we have a lot of millenials chiming in here, so i guess i should join the conversation.

    first, let me address the less-than-charitable comments that have been made about mr mosher in the video. a lot of people have been throwing the old "entitled hipster" label at him. stop. seriously. that is such us-vs-them culture warfare bullshit. you are smarter than to stoop to stereotyping someone by how he looks and what he thinks about cars. he isn't demanding that he get his way, he's saying this is what i would buy. i guess if it makes you feel better to think he's demanding toys go ahead, but fundamentally he is correct: as a generation, mine is generally less enthusiastic about cars themselves and more enthusiastic about what the cars enable for us. he's not whining until he gets his way, he's saying what he wants to give automakers his money for.

    so, my take? i'm a 23-year-old engineer, now once more a student. i've been obsessed with cars for as long as i can remember. i currently have one project up on jacks (1yr) and one rolling semi-project (~6mo), the former of which required me to teach myself to weld, and the latter of which is a turbocharged station wagon with a stick shift. if anyone doubts my hoon credentials, let's hear it up front.

    that established: i acknowledge that self-driving cars are probably safer. i acknowledge that electric cars are probably better for the planet (in the long run, once the technology has developed, for which the clumsier, dirtier early cars have to be the guinea pigs). i acknowledge that as much as i like looking at W201s and 245s, the shape of the prius is objectively better. i acknowledge that in an accident, a car with a lower, sexier hood is more likely to severely injure a pedestrian. in short, i acknowledge that a lot of things i really like about cars are bad for the collective good and should be phased out. some consider this sanitization, weenieing out because i got scared. that's a cop-out. as we learn about our own harmful behaviors, we should strive to eliminate them, no matter how much it sucks.

    i resolve this crisis of the heart by driving as little as i can. there is a given amount of "damage done" per mile driven – minimizing the miles driven minimizes my impact. so anything under five miles, i'll bike or take a bus. part of this is because i like biking, but part of it is because i know that driving five miles is wasteful and should be avoided. i love my cars, and they are very useful, but they should not be the only transportation solution i have, beacuse moving around 3300lb of glass and steel to move 130lb of me is pointless.

    as a society we tend to bristle at something that doesn't save us much but is the right thing to do. what mosher is saying is that making it easier for us young people who hold these beliefs to do the right thing will make us more enthusiastic about buying cars. this isn't a demand – this is advice to carmakers who are having trouble reaching out to young car buyers.

    come on, guys. you older (and older-at-heart) hoons can't demand that young people adhere to your standards and tastes. the world is changing. a lot of young people do not see the old cultural norms of driving as being sustainable or desirable. you can try to dismiss mosher as an entitled occupy hipster, or a whiny liberal, or whatever other reductive label you want to put on him, but i read those comments what i hear is, "i don't like what this guy represents, so i'm going to slam him." the world is changing, friends. why shouldn't young people advocate for changes they would support? he only claims to represent "a good chunk of [his] generation."

    i'm really surprised by how annoyed i am at some of the comments i'm reading here, including the original piece. please, put your prejudices aside and watch the video again.

    • If you think these comments are rough, don't see the version of the post at Jalopnik…

      • wunno sev

        that's a big part of why i stopped reading jalopnik a long time ago.

      • Hadn't planned on it.

      • Sjalabais

        Not really a reason to be less civil here.

    • Katya Kakhov

      No he really is a stereotypical douche-bag . http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embed

  • ptschett

    I despise broad generational categorizations. The broader the categorization, the more meaningless it is. As someone born in '81 I don't fit into either "Gen-X" or "millenial" very well as if I cared about fitting in anyways.

    Who defines morally responsible resource development? Interesting worldview implications…

    Where does the energy for a fully built-out electric car infrastructure come from? And why not nuclear?

  • dieseldude

    Just for that, I'm hacking the cats off of my Grand Marquis before I drive cross country next month. I hope he chokes. I know this is a very simplistic response, but that is one simplistic S.O.B. doing the pontificating.

  • wisc47

    I'm…ughhhh…a millennial (it feels so dirty to say) and I can say that this guy does not speak for me or anyone that I know. You don't want an expensive car with a ton of fancy electronics? Me either, so buy an old car. You don't want to drive yourself? Take the damn bus. Do you really think that if the technology wasn't ready there wouldn't already be autonomous cars and more environmentally sound transportation? Get off your high horse and stop speaking for me, and making our generation seem so punchable you pretentious prick.

    Edit: I promise this will be as emotional as I will get; regular Hooniverse commenting will resume soon.

  • I have a feeling his plea is rather prescient. I had to go listen to Red Barchetta after watching him.

  • scroggzilla

    Hmmnphf….I didn't know Scott Tenorman had a brother.
    <img src="http://mattelgato.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/scott-tenorman.jpg"&gt;

  • RowYourOwn

    Dear Mr. Mosher:

    People like you who view cars simply as appliances are a BIG part of the problem. Here's how to open your mind and alter your narrow perception of the World…

    1) Buy a 1999 Mazda MX-5 Miata with a MANUAL transmission.

    2) On your day off, preferably a Saturday or Sunday, wake up around 7am.

    3) Get in the Miata and TURN OFF YOUR PHONE.

    4) Drive to your nearest gas station and fill the car's gas tank to the brim.

    5) Lower the Miata's top, point the car in any direction you want, and just DRIVE. Stay off the Interstate and major highways. Don't use GPS to figure out where you are or where you're going.

    6) When the Miata's tank gets to half-full, turn around and drive home. Again, stay off the Interstate and major highways, and try to find a different set of roads to get home.

    If, at the end of this journey, you still fail to see how cars can be fun, set your driver's license on fire, sell the car to someone who will appreciate it, and buy a lifetime bus pass.

    Now, I'm not suggesting that public transit, bicycles, or walking don't have their place. They do. In fact, we need more alternate transportation options in America as part of a re-vamp of our nation's crumbling infrastructure. However, there is still room in our society for cars that are fun to drive… and an autonomous, rolling living room is NOT my idea of fun.

  • mmkarb

    Being 28 and having two cars and a motorcycle, and a few cars previously, there are a few good things but such a wrong message going about it.

    First, the government shouldn't be the only one to create an electric infrastructure. Take a look at the conditions of the roads and bridges currently. They're falling apart and the government lacks the funding to replace them all. I'd hate to think what would happen if they did build it. Also, Tesla has done great things to build out the charging network in california. Take an example from them and work on it.

    Also, atonymous cars are not the answer to being distracted. Sure, there are good places I see this technology being employed at, handicap and elderly come to mind very quickly, but not having an option to control the car is just as bad as being distracted. Working with computers I see so much that goes wrong that I would never put my life in the hands of a robot driving the car. Also, you should always be focused on the road, even if there are autonymous systems controlling the car. What happens if it malfunctions and you're in the back playing with your kids? same things as if you were distracted and went off the road. Use is as an additional safety mechanism and NOT as the main driving force of the car.

    Stop using the texting example as the worst thing ever to happen to driving. The same can be said with driving & driving. People will continue do distracting things and dangerous things even when they know it, it's human nature. until you tie a mechanism that prevents it into a car, it'll always be an issue. Just remember, radio was a huge concern when it came out in cars and now it's an everyday part of life. Take some responsiblity for yourself and your actions and don't just offload them onto someone else.

    As for the price of cars, they may be expensive but they're much cheaper than they would be with all of the things you're asking for. Plus they're much safer than they were 10, 15, 20, 25 years ago and so on. It's a long term buy, unlike an iPhone or laptop. Currently my cars are 10 years old (though just sold it) and 7 years old. My parents average about 10 years+ on their cars, my dad's being 11 and still going strong. With all the tech toys you buy, you definitely spend more than 20-30k in 10 years if you add up the cost.

    Lastly, our parents were able to afford houses and cars on much smaller budgets than ours. sure the dollar was worth more the further you go back in time but you also have to adjust it to the income level then too. Factor in that you didn't have internet, cable, cell phones, apps, downloadable music and movies for a long time and you can see why cars are deemed expensive, all your money is going elsewhere. There are plenty of good inexpensive cars out there that go for $13-19k and low $20k that offer a lot. If that's too much then there are fantastic deals on used cars if you look around. Now the fact that you want internet, bluetooth, HD radio, satellite radio, navigation, and all this, it's going to cost, just a matter of life. Save up some money, look for a car that fits your needs, buy it, and take care of it and you'll have something that will give you plenty of memories. I'll gladly take my RWD V8 gas guzzling sedan that puts a smile on my face over a Prius style, cheap, self-driving car any day of the week.

  • Mr Mosher; I reject your future and hope your conspiracy to spoil mine fails.

    And I'm afraid to stoop to this level, but I don't like your shirt either.

  • quattrovalvole

    The good thing about living in a democracy is that you're entitled to have an opinion. That doesn't mean you can assume the whole generation has the same opinion as you though.

    <img src="http://www.bit-101.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Yeah-well-you-know-thats-just-like-your-opinion-man.jpg&quot; />

    Actually I'm glad he doesn't like cars and wants a self-driving one instead. I wouldn't want to share the road with drivers like him anyway.

    • Rover1

      Isn't it supposed to be a WELL INFORMED opinion that everyone's entitled to, not just an opinion?

  • Nuclearspork

    You don't want to drive than don't, you don't want to own a car, then don't.

    However don't assume your feelings are that of your generation. This I think has more to do with living in New York and having a job in publishing.

    If you live in New York City the costs of Car ownership is high and the oppurtunities to enjoy driving on a daily basis are low. Plus there is no need for it.

    I've known people who got jobs working at a major magazine and the postion goes to their head where they start believing that everything they say millions listen to and marvel at the brilliance.

    So Ad those together and you get a distorted view of cars in the world and the belief that you are the only one who can preach a solution.

    So yeah cleaner cheaper cars sounds great. Pretty much no one in his generation would want to own a car or drive one ever, sounds more delusional and out of touch.

  • Irishzombieman☆

    Jeez, I couldn't make it through the whole video. Had to stop at 1:35ish. What a smug, self-important little shit.

    Here, have a runaway diesel to cleanse your palate. Good stuff starts around 2:00.

    [youtube 8M1o2rpO_JY#t=2m3s http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8M1o2rpO_JY#t=2m3s youtube]

    • MVEilenstein

      And just like this Mosher kid, all the young guys go running while the old guy actually does something about it.

    • EscortsForever

      Heh, that vid us in my favorites, and I just happened to watch it last night 😀

      At some point in my life, I want to own a Detroit Diesel…

  • wunno sev

    after reading some more comments –

    he doesn't actually claim to represent every millenial, only a trend. there's one point at which he lets slip "the rest of my generation"; otherwise, he presents this as a personal argument, qualifying it with "it's not just me" and some statistics about changing demographics and car ownership. what he is saying may not be representative of your opinions, but it is an increasingly popular viewpoint amongst young people.

    i guess i find myself frustrated that so many commenters here are responding to dave mosher's statement about cars by complaining about how much they hate dave mosher. i thought we try to be inclusive here on hooniverse.

    • Felis_Concolor

      Considering the ugly undertone which has surfaced on this site the past week, I fear your statement has fallen on deaf ears.

      You know a site has lost its way when the mods are the trolls.

    • Jeff Glucker

      I'm a bit surprised at that myself

  • Neen85

    "My last car was a 1991 Isuzu Rodeo…."

    Well that explains a lot.

  • cruisintime

    We must learn to disregard the negative, and accentuate the positive.

    • Rover1

      How about ''We must learn to learn from the negative and accentuate the positive"

  • mac350

    I'm reminded what my grandad said to me 50 years ago: "Why, you young whippersnappers want your cake and eat it, too. When I wanted to go to town I had to hand-crank the old tin Lizzy and boy, did it have a kick like a mule. My little brother broke his arm tryin' to start it. And the roads were all dirt and I had to stop every 3 miles to fix a flat in those old tires. You have it made with your fancy self start, automatic choke and automatic transmission. And you just ride around all day listening to that rock and roll on the radio. We had to make our own music with a ukelele and and a kazoo. And don't get me started on automatic windshield wipers…"

    • MVEilenstein

      I love listening to old people. No other but that generation could tell stories like that.

  • Irishzombieman☆

    In general, I hate YouTubes comments. More often that not, they come from some teenage troll hiding behind internet anonymity with his flame thrower.

    Sometimes, though, a video is so very terrible that it inspires some genuine excellence in the rant genre.

    My favorite so far, from user vespafitz:
    This is why you don't have any money, Hipster: What you do at "PopSci," they used to pay an actual grownup to do.

    You know, a guy who went to night school on the GI Bill, spent 20 years in a newsroom honing his craft, while trying to erase the memories of that time he had to kill a Jap with an entrenching tool.

    He was a guy who wrote articles about how to build your own kayak with chicken wire and a raincoat.

    You took on $324,000 in college debt to write 140 characters on why Aquaman sucks


    Right below it was this one, from CasperIV much more sober, but well stated in its rebuff:

    I think rather than supporting his argument, Dave managed to prove what is wrong with far too many of my generation: Overly developed sense of self importance, a lack of realistic understanding of the world, lack of personal responsibility, and a blinding level of ignorance.

    • wunno sev

      thumbs down. i would thumbs-down you a second time if i could.

      have you read anything dave mosher ever wrote?

      no? didn't think so.

      it completely blows my mind that you can call a journalist a "smug, self-important little shit" and then give props to a youtube commenter for chastising a writer for not having been drafted into a world war.

      dave mosher is a fucking journalist. here, read some of his fucking journalism. http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2013/09/plutoni

      the youtube comment you're so excited by has literally nothing at all to do with the video. it's just ad hominem insult slinging that adds nothing to the conversation and serves only to make the commenter feel good by putting down the subject. not only that, but it completely disregards the actual work the guy does, instead of one short video about what some young people want out of cars.

      i left jalopnik because it became (paradoxically) both petty and self-righteous. youtube commenters can go fuck themselves but please keep that shit off hooniverse.

      • wunno sev

        sorry to be such a dick about it tho.

        i don't know why this sort of thing gets me so worked up but i get frustrated when i see what looks like people cackling at stale hipster bashing without using their perfectly good brains. i think if you really sit back and give that youtube comment some thought you're not going to appreciate it as much as you thought you did.

        • Irishzombieman☆

          You know what? You’re right. Sorry—cranky old guy moment. My hipster-tolerance tank was full after a crappy work week that ended with me getting moved out of my walls-with-a-door office back into a frickin’ cubicle (straight across from a real jackass) so a fresh-from-school engineer with sideburns and a stupid mustache could have my desk. My apologies for letting that influence the tone of my comments.

          That said, I grew up on Popular Mechanics and Popular Science magazines, and hate what they’ve become, and I think a lot of that has to do with the fact that they’re targeting younger folks and building an audience for the future, and forgetting the people who’ve paid their bills for decades. Mosher writes with a voice that speaks, generally, to that new generation, uses its buzzwords and concepts that “millenials” and “makers” recognize. He is a decent journalist, for his target audience. I could spend a day debating his actual points, but really, I just don’t like his voice.

          Also, I’m synesthetic, and taste the color yellow. His shirt tastes like aluminum.

          I jumped the Jalopnik ship for similar reasons. That place was incredible, and then it was shit. My apologies, again, and I hope no hard feelings.

        • Irishzombieman☆

          Also, sorry if you have a mustache and sideburns, and are a recently graduated engineer. Your name's not Franklin, is it? Because if it is, I really stepped in it this time. . .

  • ugh_ugh.

    Hell, a couple of months ago i was 34..so i guess i'm kinda apart of this said generation he is apart….and this guy is nuts with all this fuzzy math. I am sure car registrations went down, young people are broke because of the crappy economy and high gas prices. Dude when i was 21 all i wanted to live within "walking distance" of bars, but the older you get this stuff sucks….taxes are higher, crime is higher and when you start a family you gotta get away. Just give my a manual transmission so i can drive my car myself.

  • BobWellington

    Cut the sh**, Dave.

    God, I hate my generation.

  • Rover1

    Yeahh, I'm disappointed that my life isn't perfect, and apparently no-one else's is either, and that there's never enough money, and that we still don't have flying cars- even though they were on ' The Jetsons' forty something years ago ,and we still can't holiday on the moon, and everything isn't free and nothing comes to us without any effort on our part.
    But we're a lot further down the path to these things than we've ever been before.
    Anyone can dream of utopias and whinge that they're not here yet, anyone can think of things we'd like that we don't have.
    But someone has to make the technology to make it happen, and they have to make it work. It seems that for every hundred or so self proclaimed pontificators of what could be there is only one person actually trying to make it happen. One engineer/designer for every hundred liberal arts majors. We need those approximate ratios reversed.

  • Maymar

    Born in '86, pretty sure I count as a Millenial. I drive something like 40k kms a year. I spend 4 or 5 hours a day in my car, commuting through a city that was plotted out as allotments of land (so, virtually no good roads), and in which development has stagnated for about 50 years (so traffic's sort of an unpleasant mess). And when I'm behind the wheel, I don't so much drive as try and avoid the brain-dead squadron of morons whom I assume leave the house in the morning just to inconvenience and endanger me. I spend something like $400 a month on gas. Given the opportunity, I'd gladly spend my commuting time in an autonomously controlled electropod and screw around watching tv or youtube clips or something. Under these circumstances, driving isn't fun or rewarding, it's a tedious, expensive pain in the ass that just ruins the activity when the weekend comes (although, the roads are barely better then).

    To some extent, I've dealt with that by getting a motorcycle. At least it's slightly cheaper, and not quite so brain-numbing (although it puts me at even more risk of the brain-dead morons). Long term, I'd rather just get a job closer to home so I'm not obligated to commute as far or as frequently. But, I can at least respect where Mr. Mosher is coming from.

  • humblejanitor

    I'm not sure if I'm the very end of Gen-X or very beginning of Gen-Y. Either way, they're all meaningless labels and I just want a goddamn car that can get me from point A to point B in an enjoyable and reliable manner.

    I don't want a navigation screen button thingmajiggy
    I don't want traction control
    I don't want cameras for mirrors

    And, I don't have any of those! I love my 2009 Civic.

  • R Henry

    I cannot relate to Mosher or his cohort. But then again, I have testes.

  • Penny.

    Ha, I like his "inspector gadget watch".

    Watch out Dr. Claw, Inspector Mosher is out to get you with this autonomous car and closed loop recycling system!

  • Kalki

    I just bought an 06 Corvette, I am 25, and it was the second best thing I've done in my life (my fiance being the first).

  • Andy

    I agree with Mr. Mosher. Driving is a wasteful, mostly irritating, and dangerous. I love cars. They embodied freedom when we were younger, they are an avatar that we can use to express our personalities, they can give you a feeling of control and they are fun to hoon. There are better ways of satisfying these wants. These are not satisfactory reasons to keep cars around in their current and past form. I would prefer to work, sleep, or study when I am commuting than worry about controlling a vehicle. I think if I had the option of getting into a car and letting it operate on full auto-drive or do the driving myself, I would bet that within a week I would forget all about taking the helm.