Two Wheel Tuesday: Don’t Buy a Classic Motorcycle.

Last week I wrote about the marvel of the Brough Superior, and I can’t help but feel that I might have been a little bit irresponsible. So this week, instead of following up to that story, I want to put a PSA out there. We’re all looking out for each other, right?
Owning a classic motorcycle is a lot like an unplanned pregnancy: the best part is the event in the beginning that got you into trouble in the first place, you’re going to eventually be covered in fluids most of the time, and many who have done it will tell you it’s the best thing that ever happened while secretly wishing otherwise.
And since it all starts once you reach into your pants, here’s hoping I can be the prevention that common sense couldn’t.
You’re probably sitting there, skeptical, imagining the day you’ll pound the kick starter and hear the pleasant burble of beneath you before you rocket out of your driveway. Disdain will be on your face as you watch the other riders with the pedestrian trappings of electric starts and fuel injection. They’re coddled. They’re one in a dozen. They and their machines they ride have no…character.
So you want a unique bike. A classic bike. Probably a British bike.

Resist this urge.
You probably saw Steve McQueen jumping a Triumph in a movie about Nazis that wasn’t Indiana Jones. You gazed in awe at the spoked wheels glistening and fell in love with the sound of that 650cc TR6.
The thing your mind isn’t considering is when – not if – that thing is going to break down. And you better believe it will break down (Xenu help you if you decide to buy a ‘barn find’) Stevie had the advantage of living in a time when that bike was in production; meaning that there were people around with parts, time, and experience able to fix it if it should decide to return to its natural state of ‘not working’. An old joke about Jaguar/Harley/random thing is: “If you want one, you’ll need two – one to use while the other is in the shop”. You will grow to hate this phrase. Don’t believe me? How about an experiment?
Imagine you need to get your classic Bonneville fixed. Odds are you don’t know anyone able to fix a 60 year old British Motorcycle. And if you do, when you wheel the rolling paperweight (but it’s so pretty!) over there you may notice a suspicious lack of British motorcycles and parts. The reason for this simple: as the philosopher B.I.G intoned, you don’t get high on your own supply.

Kanye wishes he had half the talent you had. Although, he does have half the mass.
Someone who ‘knows how to fix’ a bike like that most likely doesn’t own one any longer. They, at one point, looked at the mass of skills and spare parts they had accumulated and suddenly realized that more time was spent with the bike in pieces than on the road. Sure, they could help, but the thing is, this model has the piston rings on the outside, and they’re notorious for breaking down like that. I mean, you could order the parts for it, but it would cost more than the bike is worth. Yeah, they know the bike’s worth it, but they….the excuses will just keep coming. Why should they help you? They got out with their sanity mostly intact. And here you come rolling in, pushing the same vice they just kicked? How dare you. So, with your broken Bonneville you’ll head home, left to hit the Internet to figure out if you can fix whatever is wrong yourself. “Car guys do this all the time – how hard would it be to wrench on your own bike?” you’ll ask, no doubt anticipating the irony of that statement. You won’t be disappointed.
Here’s the kicker to owning a classic motorcycle. It isn’t hard to wrench on it. It is so, so easy. That’s the problem. It’s too easy. You can disassemble a motorcycle in an afternoon with nothing but the tools you get for free inside the IKEA box.

'The Flugstav Sex Swing is going to have to wait, honey! I'm about to paint our garage with engine oil.
A car has a natural barrier to keep you from getting into too much trouble; it being a fucking car. There’s plenty of body work, bolts, welded frames, all kinds of metal and material keeping you from pulling the sucker apart and seeing what a crankshaft looks like. They’re inherently idiot-resistent. To change out the clutch plate you’d need to lift the entire car off of the ground, get a transmission jack, 3 friends, and spend a few hours wrestling the damn thing out. Want to take out the engine? Hope you have a week and someone within 5 miles how is 1) a paramedic and 2) a professional mechanic. The amount of tools, knowledge, and room you’d need to make sure you can remove an engine successfully is far outside what an average idiot is capable of. And that keeps us safe. Most can’t climb Mount Everest because it’s huge and on the other side of the god damn planet. If you had it in your backyard you’d be trying every day to get up there and throw things off of it. Why? Because…hell. Shut up and hold the camera steady.
You know how much a 600cc motorcycle engine weighs? About 150 lbs. That’s it. You can have that thing out of your bike and on a table in ‘puzzle mode’ looooong before the sane part of your brain comes back from whatever vacation it was on and flips the hell out. That’s not all – unlike a car, you can walk around a classic bike and see 90% of all the bolts holding it together. They’re all looking out at you, pink and naked, wondering if you’re going to be stupid enough to slap a socket wrench to them. Think of it this way: ‘project car hell’ is heroin, and ‘project bike hell’ is alcoholism. Heroin hits harder, but it’s a hell of a lot easier to get beer.
But what about when it does work? Imagine what it will be like, pulling up next to all the “custom” Harleys and crotch rockets, seeing the looks of envy on the faces of the owners. You have something unique, something artistic and classic. A bike with meaning beyond 0-60 times and what kind of frilly leather streamers you put on it. That brings us to the last part of our little bubble-bursting escapade. Your bike will be unique, and will be rare. So rare, in fact, that the questions you’ll answer from 99% of the people out there will be, “What kind of bike is that?” Other than the looks, no one is going to give a rats ass about the heritage and prestige of your classic motorcycle. But that 1% – that tiny sliver will come up to you with eyes wide and a knowing smirk. And you will share a moment together. You’ll both step away and do that lean-back/look-down thing we all do at your bike and will just mumble about it. It’ll be magnificent and life affirming. And like an orgasm from a prostitute – hollow.
Because inside a small voice is going to look at the face of this person and wonder, in a very dark corner of your mind, why didn’t they have the same reaction you did when you first saw your bike? Where was the yearning? The lust? As they walk away that small voice will quickly be silenced to protect your moronic Id from having to face the truth; convicts don’t look at prison with a desire to visit.
Still though, that TR6 was pretty as hell, wasn’t it? And Steve McQueen owned one, guys. Steve Mc-fucking-Queen…
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Your words say no, but your topless lady beside a Triumph says yes.
Yeah, I know what you mean.(it's "strike")
You words say no, but your
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Good god I laughed so hard I was crying!
Welcome Bloody.
Having helped a friend disassemble someone's former "project" bike, this article speaks to me on a deep and personal level. The worst part of it is after helping him strip down this monster and discover the engine is shot, I still want one of my own.
Well of course you do; it's not like there's a cure, or even a workable therapy available.
…Perhaps a visual aid will help:
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Desire to wrench on old bikes.
Ceti eel.
Same difference.
That is truly disgusting. I'm glad it's fictional.
Maybe it's a good thing that mostly complete 1972 GT550 was gone by the time I called about it. Man it would have been awesome, though. Oh to share the glory of a large displacement 2 stroke with my neighborhood at 530 in the morning. I would have given them a week to come knocking with pitchforks and torches in hand. Especially since there is only one way to ride a 2 stroke with loud pipes.
I rode one pretty much daily for about four years, and it wasn't really all that loud. Parts are getting hard to find for them, however. Still, it was a fun bike. Sounded like a million ants farting at idle.
True, in stock form they aren't so bad. However, I don't know how to leave a motorcycle in its original for for very long. But, it's a moot point. I got tired of riding after doing so as often as possible for a few years. In order to get my 2 stroke fix I just need to find an old Saab.
Harrison, that was F*****G POETIC!
I don't even like bikes but now I want one.
Applies to turbo 'Busas as well.
You've got 3 or 4 of those right?
This is maybe the second time in my life I have wanted a motorcycle. Now that I think of it, I've probably killed two dozen bicycles in my quest to keep a few running for my family, perfect fit! Anyway about your last point, probably ten percent of that one percent go gaga and say, "I need that now!" instead of, "Wow my dad/grandpa had one!"
I almost bought a mostly complete but non running Norton Electra 20 years ago after drinking too much classic bike magazine Kool-aid. Fortunately good sense prevailed and I stuck with my BMW Airhead. While the dealer guys sometimes get perplexed by these, most areas have at least one specialist to handle heavy duty repairs like cracking the transmission or replacing the rear main seal.
If you are not dissuaded from buying a Brit bike at least pick one with current parts production like a Norton Commando
Every bike I've ever owned, now qualifies as being a classic bike. A Norton, and a few UJM's. Guess what? I did my own work on them all. Every one was older than 1974, and was simple, honest technology. Nothing mystifying, nothing magic. Points. Carburetors. Kickstarters. I learned to maintain them, fix what was wrong, and it was no big deal. Not much drama, really. That's the good thing about that level of technology, it's easy to understand. And, as far as parts are concerned, you can pretty much find anything for the pictured Triumph from several different sources. I'd daily drive that TR6, no problem at all. Sure, go ahead and scare the timid or the lazy away from buying and getting to know one of these bikes, but anyone with basic mechanical knowledge and who's able to turn a wrench shouldn't be intimidated by the thought of owning a neat old bike. Yeah, it's cool to kickstart your bike in front of God, bikers, and everybody, and know that you have the oldest, most unique bike in sight, even if it's not the fastest, chromiest, or has billet hanging all over it. This screed of yours makes me feel good, like I've done something unique by owning several of these mysterious contraptions.
1979 Moto Guzzi SP
To change out the clutch plate you’d need to lift the entire car off of the ground, get a transmission jack, 3 friends, and spend a few hours wrestling the damn thing out.
Sure, you could do it that way, but then you'd never know what it's like to hobble around with 3 cracked ribs, a broken nose, and transmission-fluid poisoning.
You know what I can do? I can bench press a manual transmission from an E36 BMW. And I am sure that you know how I know this.
Well, that was about 10 years ago… these days I could probably bench press the flywheel.
I can flail about in a comical manner for about fifteen minutes with the transmission from a '59 Ford sedan (three speed with overdrive) on my chest, while underneath that very same '59 Ford, then just barely lift it back into position after several progressively desperate attempts.
I've since gotten rid of that car, so I am not available for demonstrations.
I did the same with a Mk II VW trans. Also a little more than 10 years ago…
I've done a fair few RX-7 transmissions (and at least 2 engines).
Of course, that was before I tried the same trick with a Chevy 2.8 v6 and did something permanent to my spinal column.
A Borg-Warner T-10 four speed weighs about 85lbs with an iron case.
This is something I can lift and easily bench press, but cannot hold up while lying on my side with my arms fully extended. As I learned.
The_Missus once formed part of a three person team (her, myself and Mad_Science_Sr) bench/leg-pressing a transmission plus dual transfer case assembly into a 4Runner. That was before she was The_Missus, but it wasn't long after that that I knew she was the one.
My 125lb Suzuki G10 3 cylinder car engine laughs at your overweight 150lb bike engine! (And yes, if you have a decent back, you really can remove it from the car by hand.)
I really need to take a picture of me holding my old motor before I crate it up.
I've had quite a few "the memory was better than the reality" vehicles too.
this post reminds me of why the British don't build computers.
They haven't figured out how to make them leak oil.
Truimph Spitfire, 1967
Just when I was worried that maybe none of the bazillion new writers here know how to turn a wrench, Harrison comes through first. Antti we already like. Now the others need to show their stuff beyond their intro pages ("I'm a dorky-looking guy who loves cars!" Dude, it's hooniverse– so say we all). Which one can tell the model year of a junkyard Studebaker by the glove compartment trim, and knows how that trim was the result of a drunken argument between Bob Bourke and Brooks Stevens? Who is agonizing between the same two preposterous beater purchases as I did last year? Show yourselves!
I own one of these motorcycles, and I have to take issue with … Well … Actually it's all true.
It's unreliable, slow, hard to service, vibrates like a paint shaker, and nobody knows or cares what it is. Parts are just a phone call away. Except for that time when you couldn't get a tank holddown for love or money.
I don't ride it very often, but when I do the noise is beautiful, and the handling is a mechanized version of sweetness and light, and all is right with the world.
I read everything you wrote, and now I just want one more. Is that unhealthy?
I bought a TR6 that 'ran when parked'. I figured that it would not be too tough – de-gum the carbs, change the fluids, polish the chrome and ride on Sundays. How hard could it be ?
Bike – $800
A few minutes after pulling the carbs saw me ordering a rebuild kit from evil-bay, plus a set of gaskets and a selection of needles and then a few minutes later a pair of 'freshly rebuilt (hah) carbs plus filters. Not too bad only $240 spent.
I then found a complete front end for a later model that had better brakes that 'should bolt up' hah ! $450 later it was on its way.
I grabbed oil and a gasket set, filter set and a few other bits locally, oh and brake lines and a chain and sprokeys too – $300 ish
I cleaned the old carbs up and found new hardware for the butchered adjusters, replaced the needles with ones that did not have massive grooves and scars on them. I pulled the old chain, which was rusty and loose and replaced everything there. The rear brakes were sized, so I pulled the wheel and found zero brakes. Someone had pulled the shoes entirely and the resulting mess meant that I needed a lot of new parts.
Evil bay found me a rear wheel with 'all new brake parts' for a mere $250. Bargain….
The following week a large number of parcels arrived and at the weekend I launched into attack mode, the new rear wheel did indeed have all new brake parts. But it also had numerous loose spokes and a bent rim – rather than try to move everything over I tool the whole mess to a local dirt bike specialist and got him to make one good wheel out of the mess. $189. Oh and I bought two new tires too – $220 ish.
I switched to the carbs and using the new carbs, which were nice and shiny and a new gasket set I bolted them in place – I (not really thinking) sloshed some gas in the tank and then spent the next twenty minutes mopping up gas from the garage floor – new tank needed, this one was full of holes.
Evil Bay had a couple, one for $100 BIN and one for $300 BIN – I bought them both. Just in case.
I checked that there was some oil in the sump and connected a temporary fuel system and a spare battery that I had laying around and tried kick starting it. After about ten minutes I needed a rest, the plugs were wet with gas, so the fuel system was working, but there was no spark.
An hour or so later I figured that much of the ignition system was in dire need of therapy.
Evil-bay once more came up with a swathe of NOS parts that seemed to match the pieces I had spread all over the garage floor.
Oops, that is another $180.
I tidied the garage and took my 2007 Speed Triple for a frantic blast.
Over the following months each session has been similar, the discovery period pretty much stopped about six months ago when the engine finally crackled into life. The new carbs I got were terrible, but shiny, they got rebuilt by a specialist in the UK – he rebuilt both sets actually, so I have spares. The top end of the motor was a mess and this was 'corrected' locally. Of the three tanks I ended up buying, two are usable having been welded and sealed, the front end I got was worse than the original, I sold it on. The forks were rebuilt, the front wheel has a new rim, new bearings, NOS brakes and a new tire.
The entire wiring harness (such as it is) was re-made from scratch, the seat has been at the upholsterers for a weeks and the frame was re-welded, reinforced in a couple of places and was sent to be powdercoated. I am waiting on that before I start to put things together.
I kept a spreadsheet of the costs…..
My $800 Triumph has so far cost me a little under twelve grand, and the farthest I had ridden it was about 100yds. On that little trip I discovered that the clutch slips BTW, so that just added too it.