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Prius Lady versus Diesel Daddy

Jeff Glucker November 7, 2011 In General 124 Comments

This clip is going to make you angry.

A Toyota Prius-driving lady decided to yell at a father driving a diesel truck. The father remains calm, as his kid(s) are sleeping in the back seats of his vehicle. We admire his restraint. It would be easy to snap at the lady, whose ranting and swearing comes off as extremely aggressive but Diesel Daddy (stop smiling, Charles) remains calm.

Prius owners already have a stereotype nailed to their backs, and this woman does nothing to help that image. It may surprise you to learn that we support Prius drivers here at the Hooniverse. You’re most likely a person that doesn’t care about driving a passionate automobile, which means you’re leaving the rest of us with more fuel and more awesome vehicles to choose from.

We’re not going to dive too deeply into an editorial here, as thinking about this woman hurts our brains. We’ll leave the commentary up to you. Sound off in the comments after you watch the clip posted after the break.

[Source: YouTube via Reddit]


  • IronBallsMcG

    It appears as if she can't understand normal thought.

    • https://secure.flickr.com/photos/deadelvis/collections/72157607912481786/ dead_elvis

      I don't normally throw the c-bomb out there too casually, but she's an incredibly deserving candidate. Cameraman/truck owner has far more restraint than most of us would show, I think.

  • Devin

    Reminds me of one time I was in a Canadian Tire parking lot, and a woman started a strange rant about all the trucks killing the planet. Of course, I'm the only one who can hear her, and I showed up in a compact Ford, so nobody was there to appreciate her captain planet routine, but more importantly, it's the parking lot of a Canadian Tire. It's filled with farmers and people whose trucks are filled with car parts and lawn equipment. Pretty much everyone there came in a working vehicle, most of them couldn't be replaced by whatever she was advocating.

    I just ignored her for the most part, I needed a screw for my knob* and didn't feel like engaging the crazy person.

    *What, I was changing my kitchen hardware!

  • Alff

    It would be very easy to pick her apart but in the end, it wouldn't be worth it. Never get into a battle of wits with someone who is half armed.

    • http://www.williesrepair.blogspot.com lilwillie

      I've always heard it like "never argue with a idiot, they will just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience."

  • http://www.washington.edu/news/archive/52703 mdharrell

    I admire the driver's self-restraint. On the few occasions when people have complained about my car's two-stroke exhaust smoke, I revved the engine.

  • http://o2richenvironment.blogspot.com/ engineerd

    It looks like she needs the low-end torque from the electric motor.

    • Alff

      Looks like she needs the low end torque from a very small electric motor.

  • VeeArrrSix

    In many places making comments about other folks small children would not have ended this way. I wonder what her "carbon footprint" is considering her obvious girth?

    • pj134

      Yeah, I would guess they're Canadian. I would have slammed her head in the Prius' door repeatedly.

      I do tend to have a violent streak though.

      • VeeArrrSix

        I had a similar problem at my old job when I operated an Emergency Vehicle. We had to idle the engine so the electronics and radios wouldn't eat the battery and I'd get lectured by people for "killing the earth". GO DIE IN A FIRE IDIOTS.

        • pj134

          Better man than I. I would have at least picked up an axe and stared at the person until they moved along.

      • $kaycog

        I am not a violent person whatsoever, but I'd like to slap the crap out of her.

        • pj134

          I shouldn't say violent, because I can normally restrain myself. Hot tempered and angry probably sums me up well.

          • $kaycog

            I'm very easy-going and have a mild temperament, but if this woman came off on me, I'd flip out.
            I'll be sure not to get you riled up. ;)

  • http://www.hooniverse.com BЯдΖǐL-ЯЄРΘЯΤЄЯ

    What about losing some weight of your fat ass Prius Lady, you should know hauling weight spills energy.
    F*ck you.
    <img src="http://media.nu.nl/m/m1cz4doaa2oq.jpg"width="550"&gt;

    BTW I do not want to offend people with weight "problems", or promote polution.

    • PowerTryp

      As a fat person, I approve this comment.

      • pj134

        Seconded.

  • TurboBrick

    I would have closed the doors and rolled up my windows. There's nothing you can say to a person like that that's going to make them change their minds, so it's just not worth even saying it.

    Actually, when she said "gas guzzler", that was his cue to come back with "your Prius uses more gasoline than my truck!".

    • P161911

      EXACTLY! Let her rant and rave all you want. But don't pitch a fit like that in front of my kids. If she starts beating on the truck with the windows closed then she will be looking at the business end of a Glock while I dial 911 to report her for vandalism/destruction of property and/or assault.

  • Alff

    Damn, Michael Moore needs a haircut.

    • CJinSD

      COTD

      • http://www.hooniverse.com Kamil_K

        Ha!

  • http://www.williesrepair.blogspot.com lilwillie

    About right…I rump-rumped with my loppy cammed Camaro into "Hybrid and alternative fuel" cruise night at Quaker Steak and Lube years ago. They really didn't like that but hell, it runs on E85.

    I got a lot of snide comments and dirty looks but never gave them back. Just smiled and enjoyed a Beer. Yes, I deliberately went to get the green zombies worked up. Its Madison, every time I go there I offend someone.

    • http://www.hooniverse.com LTDScott

      haha, that reminds me of my friend who has a supercharged S2000. A local "hippie" supermarket has Hybrid parking spots out front.

      One time he parked his car there, knowing nobody could do a thing about it, and when he came back to his car, someone called him out on it. So he popped the hood and showed them the supercharger. "See? It's a hybrid."

      "Oh."

      Hippies don't know cars. :)

      • TurboBrick

        Bravo! That goes along the lines of my idea of acquiring a forest green malaise Cadillac CDV. "Isn't that a gas guzzler?" "No, it's not, it's a green Cadillac".

      • http://killerbeeracing.blogspot.com/ ZomBee Racer

        I should try that with a set of S.U carbs…

        • http://www.washington.edu/news/archive/52703 mdharrell

          Let me know if it works any better than my attempts to explain that a gasoline-oil mix should count as a blended fuel.

      • http://randomonics.net Thrashy

        There are a few oddball Honda engine builds out there that combine the head and block of two different families of engine. In Hondaphile parlance these are "hybrid" engines. Suffice to say, the people driving those modified vehicles make liberal use of the badging from certain other cars…

      • Alff

        Below 6100 rpm it's an economy car. Above that, a sportscar. See? Hybrid.

        • http://www.hooniverse.com LTDScott

          That's particularly true with the blower. The boost kicks in right around the same time as VTEC.

          • jeepjeff

            So, in other words, the engine is well mannered and even a little boring, and then you put your foot in it and you can tell when it hits the magic RPM point because it jumps right to JESUS CHRIST without touching any points in between?

            • http://www.hooniverse.com LTDScott

              Pretty much. I found it pretty startling since I'm used to readily available torque from my V8.

              • Age_of_Aerostar

                I was approaching 80085 miles on my car and was prepared to take a picture of the odometer, influenced by your avatar, but as luck would have it, I switched for my buddy's truck for a weekend, and well, that plan was shot. (sorry for the thread jack)

                • http://www.hooniverse.com LTDScott

                  Now that's a damn shame. I love 80085.

                • SSurfer321

                  all I got was a blurry pic as I was driving my truck when it happened earlier this year

  • OA5599

    If she really cared about the environment, she would have carpooled with the owner of the other Prinus in the background.

  • dragon951

    Toyota itself did an assessment of the Prius' life cycle emissions and found that it was worse than average vehicles in its class in terms of two of the five categories: emissions of nonmethane hydrocarbons and particulate matter. So technically she is OK with belching out some extra sooty exhaust so long as it is choking someone in Japan.

    • http://killerbeeracing.blogspot.com/ ZomBee Racer

      Lots of friends in Japan. Very nice people I would hate to see choked any more than them weird Canadians.

      • pj134

        I never thought the time would come but we need to mobilize the national guard on the Eco terrorists of our northernly neighbor as well as the west coast.

        Edit: he's from massachusets or Vermont. My point still stands.

  • djam

    I would have said my truck can haul a horse your Prius only hauls a horse's ass

  • thomasmac

    I need to go run the straight 6 on choke for a while, the smell of gas is great to lower my blood pressure

  • jeepjeff

    I read the comments here, and haven't watched the video yet. I'm going back to the 300SLR statue story.

    • jeepjeff

      Ugh. Made it 36 seconds. She's[1] insufferable.

      [1]That's not a woman! That's a MAN! Austin! That's my Mother!

  • CJinSD

    I used to have the opposite problem that this guy does. When my 2007 Civic Si sedan was new, people like her thought it was the Honda FCX Clarity that was on frequently played TV commercials in southern California. Somehow the rare Habanero red paint on my car looked too much like the paint on the hydrogen fuel cell car on TV, and the astutely observant econazis knew I must be a kindered spirit, rather than one of the 300,000 unchosen Americans already driving around in 8th generation Civic sedans at that point. I wasn't as nice as this guy managed to be, and all they wanted was to walk on my side of the street.

    • Devin

      It is a pretty nice color.

      • CJinSD

        I like it, but not enough people did for them to keep making it.

  • http://killerbeeracing.blogspot.com/ ZomBee Racer

    Favorite answer in the wife's smart:

    Q: Is that thing electric? (As we sit there with a loud burbling sport exhaust)
    A: Oh yes, the alternator is, but generator runs on gas.

  • gooseboy78

    lol! havent laughed at a toyota pariah (false idol) driver in ages you people are NOT saving the the world! you are just too cheap to pay for petrol! would you like to tell you a fact about thjis car? when then the battery dies (and it will) you have to replace it and the battery costs 1/3 the price of a prius. my car may indeed be killing the enviroment, but its doing it one tree at a time!

  • fede6882

    does this woman know what it takes to build her car? and her batteries?
    this video just made me unconfortable, very stupid lady indeed.

  • Spencer G

    [youtube _hStQbwJgzw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hStQbwJgzw youtube]

    in response to that smokin hot skank ;)

    (btw, thats the last burnout i'll do, it is in fact me)

    • Spencer G

      oh, and thats not my current truck…new one is MUCH more clean!

  • Noname

    This is the reason I don’t carry a gun, though now in Arizona it’s legal to display it as a warning to lunatics like that fat kunt. It would’ve been game on for me when she told the wife to shut the fuck up 20 seconds in.

  • Kah

    man was she having a bad day or what?
    I can only guess that what ever was upsetting her she was unable to confront it directly and chose to vent on this unlucky truck family.

    Truck family did better than I would have, I get very snarkey in this sort of situation and on the video I’d come off like a condescending jerk arguing with a crazy person for sport.

    real greenies would be locking up bikes not sitting in a Prius

  • RogueInLA

    Is this grounds for justifiable homicide in some locales?

  • coupeZ600

    As a Truck-Driver, I get that all the time. Often, especially at gas stations strangely enough, people will come up and say stuff like that as you're using the Truck engine (PTO) to pump the fuel up into an eco-friendly above ground tank. When they complain, I just look up and take a big whiff and say, "I love the smell of Diesel, it smells like Money…. Somebody Else's Money……" (shamelessly adapted from Apocalypse Now).

  • http://www.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/pages/Tombstone-AZ/Goodenough-Mine-TourTCMC/205373899689 CptSevere

    Good lord, I don't miss the city and the 'burbs and people like this, whatsoever. I don't approve of people who drive big gigantic diesel trucks when they don't need them. Everybody where I live who drives a big diesel pickup, uses them to their full capacity, and then some. Hey, maybe this guy actually needs his truck, like he said. Who cares, leave him alone. Poor guy, he doesn't need to deal with that fat chick and her arrogance. One thing I really like about living in the sticks, people tend to be more accepting of others, for the most part. Hell, there are Prii here in town every day, nobody gives the drivers a ration of shit, even those of us who drive trucks. Nobody here likes self-rightousness, not even the church going types. This outburst wouldn't cut it here in Tombstone, hell, she wouldn't even think of coming here.

    • coupeZ600

      She's probably headed to Bisbee, but it's not going to go over very well there, either.

    • http://www.williesrepair.blogspot.com lilwillie

      Yup. Out in our rural area people are the same. Do as you do, just don't come bothering me about what I do. My sister in law has a Prius. I don't give her any flak and she never has to me. We joke with each other. She bought it because it gets great gas mileage, that is it. Not to make any political statement or anything. It is fun to rip on my brother when he is in it. :)

    • highmileage_v1

      I'm with you. I don't see the need that some people have to spread the grief around. This lady isn't trying to solve a problem, she's just chucking shite for the sole purpose of chucking shite. I just would have driven off very slowly, so that she would have to walk fast to continue the rant. 20 meters later she wouldn't be able to talk ;)

  • ptschett

    Yeah, that does make me angry. She wants to complain about the exhaust from a modern emissions controlled diesel engine? Seriously? The guy's truck is pretty new and probably complies to EPA 2007 or 2010… odds are that the tailpipe emissions are cleaner than the ambient air in some pollution-challenged locales.

    (Partial disclosure: Since 3 years ago I've made my living by designing and packaging emissions control systems for a certain line of heavy construction equipment)

  • Buickboy92

    Damn, that crazy ass lady would have made me lose my shit! Or at least I would honk at her and do a burnout while I drive the hell away from her.

  • Angry Diesel Truck

    So I guess I'll be the 1st one on the lady's side. Disclaimer: I don't like Priuses, people who drive them, or obese people in general. But what I like even less is some a$$wipe office drone who bought a brand new full size truck he doesn't need in a futile attempt to retain a semblance of manhood after Sheryl walked off with his ball sack. And, more importantly, I don't sit in parking lots for half an hour letting the motor running with my windows rolled up shut so I can enjoy the A/C while the rest of the world breathes my fumes. Disclaimer #2: I drive a 7-liter diesel and I am disturbed and saddened that this guy didn't buy a gasser like the rest of his ilk. Solution: Give the fat lady a gun, she shoots the marketing employee dead and goes off to jail for 30 years. Voila: problem solved.

    You admire the guy's… restraint?!? Of course he's gonna behave. He is FILMING the whole thing for chrissakes!!! Grow up, guys.

    • http://junkyardlust.com citroen67

      So…I can only assume that you must have missed the part of the film were he exclaimed that he "also owns a farm," right? Awfully hard to haul grain in a four-popper hipster-mobile.

      As far is him showing restraint because he was filming it…I call bullshit. If it were me with the camera phone, I would have shown NO restraint whatsoever! But that is just me…I have no restraint, or much of a filter for my mouth, for that matter.

      Finally, "grow up, guys." Seriously!? Did you read the name of this site at the top of the page?

    • IronBallsMcG

      Very seldom is anybody's vehicle choice about "need." If we only bought what we need, some of the most awesome and beautiful vehicular creations would never exist. My world is better with Bentleys, RS Audis, Bugattis, and all manner of engine driven madness. My world is driven by want, thankfully. Most of us are fortunate enough to have benefited from our work and the work of our fore-fathers that we don't have a "need" driven life. I'm happy for that everyday and if a man chooses to celebrate that in a cloud of diesel fumes or the whir of an electric motor, good for him. I support that, and as far as I'm concerned anyone who doesn't can shove it up their 7 liter tailpipe.

    • http://www.Hooniverse.com Jeff_Glucker

      He said he tows horses with the truck

      • Lisa

        Also, he was letting it run because his baby was sleeping in the truck If you don't have kids you wouldn't understand letting the car run so your baby stays comfortable and finishes their nap. It might have been too hot outside and the A/C was on to keep the baby comfortable, especially for little babies, a little exhaust is work having your baby not roast to death. And if she wanted to sit in her car, she could have moved it a little further away if the exhaust was bothering her. We've idled for our kids comfort and safety, and we've also moved our (van) away from idling cars when we want to sit with the windows down. This lady is just out of control. And why didn't she hear the line that he uses it for horses on his farm??

  • http://junkyardlust.com citroen67

    Anybody gives me any crap about driving a truck(that I actually use as a truck). I just give 'em a healthy dose of the pipes. That either shuts them up, or scares them off.[youtube 86G757UW0Fg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86G757UW0Fg youtube]

  • http://www.shikisushibar.com yellofury

    "Ok I will turn off the truck when you stop eating Ho Hos in your Prius"

    "no?"
    oh ok then"

  • images_no_work

    I own a prius and a s2000 and a m roadster and a jetta turbo – it has never dawned on me that owning a priius would mean i would have to be a self-righteous ass and pontificate to others about their vehicles. This lady is completely insane, no matter what car she is or is not driving

  • Charles_Barrett

    Jeff's right… Diesel Daddies bring a smile to my face…

    • Alff

      So you favor stroke over bore?

      • Charles_Barrett

        Oversquare, undersquare, it's all good…

  • PowerTryp

    [Rant] All major points on how many countries the battery was made in and shipped to and the fact that her car still uses gas [end rant]

  • SSurfer321

    If the exhaust was the problem, why didn't she just motor away, under electric power, to a different parking spot?

    I would have lost my cool and done a big smokey burnout on the hood of her Prius.

  • FЯeeMan

    I'd have put the wife & kid in the truck, carefully rolled forward, then reversed until the tailgate was about 2 feet from her open window, then revved the motor until she pulled away.

    Nothing like a Pious full of black fumes.

    That said, many of the people around me drive trucks, many diesels, because I live in farm country. However, the ones that are jacked up 6 feet, with an 18" big rig exhaust in the middle of the bed or rabbit ear exhaust annoy me just as much as they do this lady. I just figure I've got no right to complain because my goal is to have a car low enough to drive under their jacked up monstrosity while getting 1/10 the fuel economy they do.

  • scroggzilla

    I. Blame. Deartháir.

  • Angry Diesel Truck

    Apparently the guy owns a horse (translation: his wife owns a horse). Or maybe a farm, or whatever, that must be why he works some useless marketing job? That's no excuse for smoking the entire parking lot with his late model squeaky clean sissy truck. He could circle the block like everyone else if he needs the kids to stay cool. The lady is unpleasant but the guy behaved rudely.

    • http://junkyardlust.com citroen67

      Wow, you really are quite the prick, aren't you? You might like this website a little more! They welcome your type over there.

    • http://www.Hooniverse.com Jeff_Glucker

      I have to disagree with you. The man was quite calm while the lady was far more than unpleasant. No reason for her to be swearing in front of the kids…

    • Devin

      Are you the woman in the video?

    • Alcology

      Or the lady could move to an actual parking spot somewhere away from the truck. Or just leave.

    • Alff

      Hey sad clown, turn that frown upside down.

  • Macko

    1. Never yell at a guy in front of his kids.
    2. If a nutjob is yelling at you in front of your kids, it is important to at least close the doors to your truck, and, you know, maybe kind of try to do something to end the situation.

  • Angry Diesel Truck

    Man you guys are testy! This video pictures an embarrassing interaction between an angry ageing liberal and a passive-aggressive suburban phoney with a manhood issue. Both of them are making an indefensible argument, both of them have a massive sense of entitlement, and neither of them has the most elementary sense of courtesy. Zoom back and you're looking at a microcosm of today's america. If you cant see that, you're pathetic, but then again you have time to dump on Prius owners in internet forums since your job is now performed by a chinese teenager. Do you see the issue here? Also, jalopnik is a fine website, and so is hooniverse.

    • http://junkyardlust.com citroen67

      Someone with the handle "Angry Diesel Truck" is opining on manhood issues…that argument seems legit.

      As far as us "being testy," well…yeah, maybe, but we are entitled to our opinions, testy or not, and the whole reason we all gathered here is because we fled from another "fine" website that became infested with eleventh-hour trolls such as yourself that come flying onto the scene just to make snarky, douche-tastic comments, and refuse to see anyone else's side. In short…like it, or lump it. You came here, we didn't seek you out, so if you don't like it, there is probably a door somewhere…find it. Peace.

  • Fran

    That he-man is an angry ignorant person who needs to shut the hell up and lord help her husband IF she has one…couldn't imagine living around all that stupity….don't be judging anyone..we all have the right to drive and do what ever we chose…it's one of the many blessings of living in the freedom of THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA….ITS AN AMERICAN BREED TRUCK..live your own life and stay the hell out of everyone else's business and go get laid!!!!

  • MegansDad

    Unraveling the Hummer vs. Prius cost/pollution analysis

    The resources needed and pollution created to manufacture a hybrid could be worse than the overall cost of producing and running a non-hybrid

    A recent article has been floating around started by CWA marketing detailing how GM's Hummer only cost about $1.95 per mile to put on the road, while the Prius $3.25 per mile. The idea is that building a Toyota Prius causes more environmental damage than a Hummer that it is on the road for three times longer than a Prius. It's assumed the Hummer will be around for over 300,000 miles and the Prius 100,000 miles.

    Some other things to consider… the nickel in the batteries http://www.yorkblog.com/greenmesh/2007/03/unravel

  • MegansDad

    Unraveling the Hummer vs. Prius cost/pollution analysis

    The resources needed and pollution created to manufacture a hybrid could be worse than the overall cost of producing and running a non-hybrid

    A recent article has been floating around started by CWA marketing detailing how GM's Hummer only cost about $1.95 per mile to put on the road, while the Prius $3.25 per mile. The idea is that building a Toyota Prius causes more environmental damage than a Hummer that it is on the road for three times longer than a Prius. It's assumed the Hummer will be around for over 300,000 miles and the Prius 100,000 miles.

    Some other things to consider… the nickel in the batteries http://www.yorkblog.com/greenmesh/2007/03/unravel

  • MegansDad

    Unraveling the Hummer vs. Prius cost/pollution analysis

    The resources needed and pollution created to manufacture a hybrid could be worse than the overall cost of producing and running a non-hybrid

    A recent article has been floating around started by CWA marketing detailing how GM's Hummer only cost about $1.95 per mile to put on the road, while the Prius $3.25 per mile. The idea is that building a Toyota Prius causes more environmental damage than a Hummer that it is on the road for three times longer than a Prius. It's assumed the Hummer will be around for over 300,000 miles and the Prius 100,000 miles.

    Some other things to consider… the nickel in the batteries http://www.yorkblog.com/greenmesh/2007/03/unravel

  • MegansDad

    Unraveling the Hummer vs. Prius cost/pollution analysis

    The resources needed and pollution created to manufacture a hybrid could be worse than the overall cost of producing and running a non-hybrid

    A recent article has been floating around started by CWA marketing detailing how GM's Hummer only cost about $1.95 per mile to put on the road, while the Prius $3.25 per mile. The idea is that building a Toyota Prius causes more environmental damage than a Hummer that it is on the road for three times longer than a Prius. It's assumed the Hummer will be around for over 300,000 miles and the Prius 100,000 miles.

    Some other things to consider… the nickel in the batteries http://www.yorkblog.com/greenmesh/2007/03/unravel

  • MegansDad

    Unraveling the Hummer vs. Prius cost/pollution analysis

    The resources needed and pollution created to manufacture a hybrid could be worse than the overall cost of producing and running a non-hybrid

    A recent article has been floating around started by CWA marketing detailing how GM's Hummer only cost about $1.95 per mile to put on the road, while the Prius $3.25 per mile. The idea is that building a Toyota Prius causes more environmental damage than a Hummer that it is on the road for three times longer than a Prius. It's assumed the Hummer will be around for over 300,000 miles and the Prius 100,000 miles.

    Some other things to consider… the nickel in the batteries http://www.yorkblog.com/greenmesh/2007/03/unravel

  • MegansDad

    Unraveling the Hummer vs. Prius cost/pollution analysis

    The resources needed and pollution created to manufacture a hybrid could be worse than the overall cost of producing and running a non-hybrid

    A recent article has been floating around started by CWA marketing detailing how GM's Hummer only cost about $1.95 per mile to put on the road, while the Prius $3.25 per mile. The idea is that building a Toyota Prius causes more environmental damage than a Hummer that it is on the road for three times longer than a Prius. It's assumed the Hummer will be around for over 300,000 miles and the Prius 100,000 miles.

    Some other things to consider… the nickel in the batteries http://www.yorkblog.com/greenmesh/2007/03/unravel

  • MegansDad

    Unraveling the Hummer vs. Prius cost/pollution analysis

    The resources needed and pollution created to manufacture a hybrid could be worse than the overall cost of producing and running a non-hybrid

    A recent article has been floating around started by CWA marketing detailing how GM's Hummer only cost about $1.95 per mile to put on the road, while the Prius $3.25 per mile. The idea is that building a Toyota Prius causes more environmental damage than a Hummer that it is on the road for three times longer than a Prius. It's assumed the Hummer will be around for over 300,000 miles and the Prius 100,000 miles.

    Some other things to consider… the nickel in the batteries http://www.yorkblog.com/greenmesh/2007/03/unravel

  • MegansDad

    Unraveling the Hummer vs. Prius cost/pollution analysis

    The resources needed and pollution created to manufacture a hybrid could be worse than the overall cost of producing and running a non-hybrid

    A recent article has been floating around started by CWA marketing detailing how GM's Hummer only cost about $1.95 per mile to put on the road, while the Prius $3.25 per mile. The idea is that building a Toyota Prius causes more environmental damage than a Hummer that it is on the road for three times longer than a Prius. It's assumed the Hummer will be around for over 300,000 miles and the Prius 100,000 miles.

    Some other things to consider… the nickel in the batteries http://www.yorkblog.com/greenmesh/2007/03/unravel

  • MegansDad

    Unraveling the Hummer vs. Prius cost/pollution analysis

    The resources needed and pollution created to manufacture a hybrid could be worse than the overall cost of producing and running a non-hybrid

    A recent article has been floating around started by CWA marketing detailing how GM's Hummer only cost about $1.95 per mile to put on the road, while the Prius $3.25 per mile. The idea is that building a Toyota Prius causes more environmental damage than a Hummer that it is on the road for three times longer than a Prius. It's assumed the Hummer will be around for over 300,000 miles and the Prius 100,000 miles.

    Some other things to consider… the nickel in the batteries http://www.yorkblog.com/greenmesh/2007/03/unravel

  • MegansDad

    Unraveling the Hummer vs. Prius cost/pollution analysis

    The resources needed and pollution created to manufacture a hybrid could be worse than the overall cost of producing and running a non-hybrid

    A recent article has been floating around started by CWA marketing detailing how GM's Hummer only cost about $1.95 per mile to put on the road, while the Prius $3.25 per mile. The idea is that building a Toyota Prius causes more environmental damage than a Hummer that it is on the road for three times longer than a Prius. It's assumed the Hummer will be around for over 300,000 miles and the Prius 100,000 miles.

    Some other things to consider… the nickel in the batteries http://www.yorkblog.com/greenmesh/2007/03/unravel

  • MegansDad

    Unraveling the Hummer vs. Prius cost/pollution analysis

    The resources needed and pollution created to manufacture a hybrid could be worse than the overall cost of producing and running a non-hybrid

    A recent article has been floating around started by CWA marketing detailing how GM's Hummer only cost about $1.95 per mile to put on the road, while the Prius $3.25 per mile. The idea is that building a Toyota Prius causes more environmental damage than a Hummer that it is on the road for three times longer than a Prius. It's assumed the Hummer will be around for over 300,000 miles and the Prius 100,000 miles.

    Some other things to consider… the nickel in the batteries http://www.yorkblog.com/greenmesh/2007/03/unravel

  • MegansDad

    Unraveling the Hummer vs. Prius cost/pollution analysis

    The resources needed and pollution created to manufacture a hybrid could be worse than the overall cost of producing and running a non-hybrid

    A recent article has been floating around started by CWA marketing detailing how GM's Hummer only cost about $1.95 per mile to put on the road, while the Prius $3.25 per mile. The idea is that building a Toyota Prius causes more environmental damage than a Hummer that it is on the road for three times longer than a Prius. It's assumed the Hummer will be around for over 300,000 miles and the Prius 100,000 miles.

    Some other things to consider… the nickel in the batteries http://www.yorkblog.com/greenmesh/2007/03/unravel

  • MegansDad

    Unraveling the Hummer vs. Prius cost/pollution analysis

    The resources needed and pollution created to manufacture a hybrid could be worse than the overall cost of producing and running a non-hybrid

    A recent article has been floating around started by CWA marketing detailing how GM's Hummer only cost about $1.95 per mile to put on the road, while the Prius $3.25 per mile. The idea is that building a Toyota Prius causes more environmental damage than a Hummer that it is on the road for three times longer than a Prius. It's assumed the Hummer will be around for over 300,000 miles and the Prius 100,000 miles.

    Some other things to consider… the nickel in the batteries http://www.yorkblog.com/greenmesh/2007/03/unravel

    • 1Swimmer

      Yeah, the nickel in batteries and how do you dispose of them? Talk about toxic land fill………….You know what else gets to me, people with holier than thou attitudes. I would ask that woman about her electrical use……….and point this out.
      Coal generates 54% of our electricity, and is the single biggest air polluter in the U.S. http://www.ucsusa.org/clean_energy/coalvswind/c01

      The wind mills are eye sores, I just had the privilege of seeing them along the Columbia Gorge as well as the enormous trucks running the parts up the freeway. What a scam, not to mention they are all along the flyway. This woman is confused and falling for the spin.

  • Scandinavian Flick

    Oh God, this bullshit article is still around? You actually believe that? It's been debunked and proved to have flawed "science" numerous times. Let it go.

    If you are going to make an anti-Prius argument, there are many vehicles that are perfectly viable alternatives. No need to go to such extremes and hire "scientists" to prove a point that simply isn't true.

  • Scandinavian Flick

    I'm not here to educate you. There are plenty of resources for you to figure it out yourself, and I seriously doubt that anything I say is going to change your mind. You found one "study" from years ago that supports your already established point of view, and decided to believe that one over the numerous studies showing the contrary by scientists that are not funded by special interests. I have better things to do with my time.

    • MegansDad

      So you can't prove what you post? Or you can't find prof of what you post?
      please share you debunked information, I am having problems finding it.

      I am more then willing to withdraw my post. if you can prove it incorrect.

      debate don't argue speak with data

      • http://www.washington.edu/news/archive/52703 mdharrell

        Douglas Hofstadter coined the term "joosting" to refer to the process of extracting oneself from a self-referential trap. Let's see how it goes:

        http://912wolverines.com/code/#IDComment223098097

        • 1Swimmer

          mdharrell, come on over and post. What's on your mind?

        • MegansDad

          Rambo coined the phrase "you drew first blood " Scandinavian Flick did a drive by with out facts or foot notes, When I did a search to prove or disprove his statement , I could not find information to back excursions or claims, when I asked Scandinavian Flick for data I got more drive by nonsense. All I ask for was a link? jousting?
          you dang right. Proud to be a Wolverine we eat drive by trolls. feel free to come and play we love to debate bring your facts.

        • MegansDad
          • MegansDad

            Robert Hofstadter bet he would of come with facts and footnote. Professor of Cognitive Science

      • MegansDad

        Who bought or paid for the "Dust to Dust" study which purports to show the
        impact of a Prius is greater than that of a Hummer?
        http://cnwmr.com/nss-folder/automotiveenergy/Who%
        http://cnwmr.com/nss-folder/automotiveenergy

      • Scandinavian Flick

        Okay, looking at it more thoroughly, (since I currently have nothing else to do as my program is compiling) I think the problem here is that I am not understanding which point it is that you are trying to argue. The article that I am referring to that is full to the brim with unfounded assumptions is the one conducted by CNW Marketing Research in their comparison of the energy consumption of a Hummer and a Prius. Their conclusion and assumption, of course, being that energy consumption is the sole measure of environmental impact.

        Reading the article you linked, combined with the parts you chose to highlight, I am now a bit confused by what you are trying to say.

        • MegansDad

          What I am saying , that a self important load mouth Prius owner. attacking this man and his family for driving a diesel truck . she thinks gas mileage is the only measure use to determine how Fn green she is, Gas mileage does not take in to account full impact of manufacturing, life cycle and disposal cost. the H2 example is extreme, but if that h2 was power buy diesel as that man truck was, the numbers for the Prius would be worse.

          For instance I drive a F250 king cab 4×4 with a 6 liter Diesel. it get 19 to 21 miles per gallon. It has 189000 miles on it runs like its bran new. 300000 + miles will not be hard to do. find a Prius with 189000 miles on it. I run bio diesel when I can get it. so who is Fn greener me or the fat chic? You have to take full life cycle into account manufacturing , running life and service and disposal . This is what I hate about mind numbing progressive greens trolls, they can not understand cause and affect. that was original point. the rest of it was you did a drive by with no facts or footnotes that put a target on your back.

      • MrHowser

        The argument falls apart if you put the Prius and the H1 on the same playing field. Assuming each would go 200k miles in a lifetime, and using the figures from your post, the Prius would have a per-mile energy cost of $1.77, while the Hummer would have a per-mile cost of $3.69.

        Over the course of its "life" (the ridiculous 109k mile figure) a 40mpg Prius would likely burn 2,725 gallons of gasoline. At $4/gallon, that's a lifetime fuel cost of $10,900, and a per-mile fuel cost of 10 cents. The H1, on the other hand, gets around 15mpg. Over 379k miles, it would burn 25,266 gallons of fuel, costing $101,066.67, with a per-mile fuel cost of 26 cents. I can't imagine that a Prius costs $90,000 more in energy to produce and recycle than a Hummer. If you figure they both do 200k miles, the numbers are much closer, but the Prius is still $33k ahead in fuel costs.

        The reality of the situation is that the figures in the study are pretty meaningless, as a Prius will definitely last longer than 109,000 miles, while I doubt there is a non-military H1 in the country with 379,000 miles on it.

        I'm not an eco-defender by any stretch of the imagination, and I don't think hybrids are the best solution to whatever fossil fuel/pollution/transportation problem you may have. However, any study that plays that fast and loose with the numbers shouldn't be cited as any serious source of information. We shouldn't have to resort to deception when there are so many more honest and proven reasons that hybrids are not the saviors they're made out to be.

        Here's the original study, by the way. http://cnwmr.com/nss-folder/automotiveenergy/DUST

        • MegansDad

          Well done Mrhower ,Scandinavian Flick could learn a lot on how to debate for you . nothing is worse the someone who does a drive by with out facts or foot notes, I will do some research on manufacturing ,transportation cost, disposal cost . see I believe the study take total life cycle into account. I do see your point with the mileage comparison.

          • MrHowser

            My point is, what are they using as a "total energy cost" figure? I've scanned the article, and I didn't see a conclusive list. It's possible that it's there, and I missed it, as I have other things to do besides read a 458-page article. But it seems like the numbers are so arbitrary that the study is worse than useless – it can be used to say anything a person wants.

            For the Hummer to truly have a lower energy cost than the Prius over the life of the car, it must cost a minimum of $90,000 less per vehicle to mine raw materials, refine them, assemble them into a car, maintain the car with new parts/tires/fluids, and recycle that car when it's old and dead. The Hummer weighs several times as much as a Prius, requires beefy tires, more oil, etc. I just can't see the numbers adding up in any way that doesn't involve fuzzy math.

            Now, there are plenty of reasons a person might choose to buy a Hummer or a Prius, and plenty of them are even good reasons. But arguments must be made for or against either one on a rational basis. The authors of that study seem to have arrived at a conclusion first, and then massaged the numbers to fit their pre-determined hypothesis. They haven't provided their data or methods of calculation, and so their conclusion is of little value. See this article for further explanation.

            The battery pack in the Prius is actually quite reliable – Toyota's out-of-warranty failure rate is claimed to be 1 in 40,000 (.000025%) which is better than major mechanical failure rates on plenty of ICE cars. I'd bet that in 5-10 years, when the battery packs really start wearing out, there will be a solution on the table to get them replaced and recycled at a reasonable price. An engine swap is a $2-5000 job at most shops, so why is a $3900 battery replacement out of line?

          • Scandinavian Flick

            FFS… You're the one who brought this debate over here. I could go on and on, rattling off facts and studies, but it seriously just isn't worth my time/effort. I did all this 4 years ago when it was published, and I really don't feel like rehashing it.

            I clearly made a mistake by ever saying anything in the first place. I was just surprised to see anyone still siting that article…

    • 1Swimmer

      Not funded by special interests? How about the US gov? ever here of crony capitalism?
      Both the Chevrolet Volt and the Nissan Leaf are PEVs eligible for a U.S. federal tax credit up to US$7,500, and additional incentives in several states.

      First the Energy Improvement and Extension Act of 2008, and later the American Clean Energy and Security Act of 2009 (ACES) granted tax credits for new qualified plug-in electric drive motor vehicles.[48] The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 (ARRA) also authorized federal tax credits for converted plug-ins, though the credit is lower than for new PEVs.[49] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_incentive

      • 1Swimmer

        oops sorry, I meant "hear" fingers moving faster than brain :-)

  • MR2

    Prius = Pious

  • RonPaul2012

    Hi guys… I love the south… pretty much raised here all my life… of course plenty of trucks and many who are my friends and many more who use it for legitimate work, etc… Yes, I own a Prius, but it's for work too, since I drive at minimum two hours plus for work one way as a Consultant. This Prius Lady is just one freakin' crazy lady, who wasn't raised right or was having menopause or a "man-o-pause" moment.

    I care about the environment, but I drive my Prius for my pocket book more than anything. I read an earlier comment about real greenies on bikes… yes, this lady could use the exercise and time alone for sure!!! Again, IMHO this lady is just nuts.

  • Amy

    Wow that's not even a big truck and she's crapping on about it! And the big trucks that let out pollution we would be fucked without as they are a big part of needs, without truckdrivers the world would stop!

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