Morning Qualifying – Shall We Play A Game? edition
I don't know. Do you?
Over the years, I’ve curated 1000′s of historic motor sport images from the web for my own collection. And thanks to a near photographic memory, I don’t have to see a set of similar images too many times before the cars, circuits, drivers and specific event become familiar to me. On the rare occasions that I’m stumped, such stumpage is usually temporary as I have a go to list of motor sport history reference web sites and my own annotated collection that I use to fill in such blanks. But, even with my freaky memory skills and the power of the inter tubes, there are photos that I can not fully identify. So, Hooniversal Hive Mind…….ACTIVATE!! We’re headed into unknown territory for a game of Who? What? Where? When?
OK, this first photo shouldn’t be too difficult. The cars are a dead giveaway for the racing series and year. So, the drivers shouldn’t be that hard to identify either. But the circuit?
I know you can identify the car. And, if you know your Shelby history, the driver is easily recognizable. What about the year and the circuit?
Getting a bit tougher now, the flare fendered fellow is well known to fans of touring car history and Alfisti. What year was this photo taken? What race? Who’s behind the wheel?
The car is easy. And, if you know your rallying history, you can narrow down the time frame when this photo was taken. What rally is it? And who are the driver and co-driver? OK, one more…..
Now, I KNOW you know a Hakasuka when you see one. And we covered, in passing, when the KPGC10 dominated Japanese motor sport? Can your gaijin eyes identify the super number 1 best drivers behind the wheel? What about the circuit?
OK, there’s your challenge. Five photos, multiple blanks? Fill ‘em in if you can…….because I can’t.
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Wow, Faceborg says this has been up for 45 minutes and not a single
correctanswer? Must be busy days at the offices of the hive mind.What, me? Nah, I just come here to absorb and be amazed by the multi-volume encyclopedic knowledge of all y'alls.
First is obviously Trans Am, I think 1970, but since 75% of the circuits they ran back then are weeds and/or strip malls now, I'm struggling. I'm inclined to say Riverside, more for the dry dirt bank than any real recollection of the track itself.
Shelby looks like Ken Miles, maybe '63? No clue on the track, though, so I'll just say Bridgehampton.
No clue on the Alfa, except that I'm fairly certain it's NOT Horst Kwech during his Trans-Am days.
I suck at vintage rallying.
I'm sure Motoharu Kurosawa is one of the Skylines, but no idea right off on his opponent. I'll cop-out and say it's at Fuji, well, just because.
I should probably be working instead of this, huh?
OK, I can only help with the first pic, the Sam Posey Trans-AM, but check out the pic below. I'm going with Bryar Motorsports park in Loudon, NH. They apparently added a wall between the 1970 and '71 season (this pic is from '71), replacing that woefully inadequate berm, but otherwise it's spot on. Posey's autobiography, Mudge Pond Express, has a great account of this amazing Trans-Am season!
<img src="http://1999.bobk.com/historic/images/bmp71-start.jpg">
You got it. I was thinking either a new circuit or one out west.
The #3 Camaro is Tony DeLorenzo and the #4 is Jerry Thompson.
I have no idea for the rest.
Well done. I came back thinking for sure it was one of the turns at the pre-barriers Donnybrooke. That's what I get for thinking!
OK, after a little more research, I'm putting the Trans-AM pic in the first four laps of the race. Posey retired with clutch problems after four laps. He seems a bit off line here, so maybe he was already fighting to downshift at the end of the straight.
http://www.trans-amseries.com/results/1970.pdf
I tried to cheat, Tineye told me to go f myself though.
Dave McDonald ran Cobras under #98 or #198, but I can't seem to find another picture of one painted with the 198 like this one. With the GTO, I'm guessing '62 or '63. This might help identify it: http://www.ferraribuy.com/fb/datab/250gto.htm
There were only 8 RHD 250 GTOs, so that might narrow it down. I'll try to track down the ones in the US in the early 1960s. I'm leaning toward #3767 owned by Ed Cantrell. Here it is wearing #11
<img src="http://barchetta.sl-album.studioline.net/SLOAIMGTMB_1624898.jpg" width="200/">
The stage sticker is right there on the hood of the Lancia isn't it? I can't recognize it though, most of the ones I know are red.
Based on the colors, I'd say its the Uddeholm Swedish Rally. And based on the car, early 70s. I am going to go with Harry Källström and Gunnar Häggborn for now. Time to go look up some Kallstrom info.
Edit: well, based on the HF on the fender it is at least '67, and in '73-'74 they changed the paint. Now the extra headlights being up on the grill was earlier, so maybe '69. The biggest clue to what it isn't is the lack of the huge white circle on the door (can't be the 14).
…I should probably get some work done today.
Edit: So I was heading down Google St. and just passed 1.6 HF Kallstrom Ave; fairly sure I had made a wrong turn once the words turned French, but lo and behold I discovered a treasure trove of Fulvia. In fact:
<img src="http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/6784/italiaoneofthefiveworks.jpg" width="200">
Unfortunately I do not speak French, but I am pretty sure "Une des cinq Lancias d'usine, à idéntifier…" means "hell if I know what it is." Although I can probably conclude that based on the lack of racing stripe the When is now between '70-'72.
From the little French I know – and from even less Babelfish gave me – it says it's "one of the five Lancias works version, to be identified". So, it's safe to say that this Lancia does not exist.
It translates to " one of the five factory cars" and the person who made the post identified the pictures above as being taken in 71. Also I wouldn't worry about not being able to speak french, it very rarely comes in useful.
These are UFOs. From the factory team.
Shebly Cobra #198
The Shelby Cobra diven by Ken Miles was only driven with # 198
1963 in Riverside 2nd OA and
63/jun/09 Laguna Seca 9th
the 250 GTO in the picture with r#11 was driven in the same race by Ed Cantrell, only in Mosport Grant Clark drove 3767GT with r#11
Ken Miles did not drive CSX 2129 after July 1963
http://www.barchetta.cc/english/All.Ferraris/Deta…
63/jun/09 dnf Laguna Seca Ed Cantrell #11
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The Alfa is Gian Luigi Picchi's GTA Junior. It's in Salzburgring in 1971 for the ETCC. This car won the race and was destroyed at Monza with Spartaco (Paco) Dini at the wheel in 1972. Here's another shot with a different number:
<img src="http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/attachments/giulia-gta-gta-1300-jr-gtam-1965-1975/81831d1192780967-vintage-gta-photos-brno-1971-05-23a-052.jpg"width="500"/>
from alfabb.com
Excellent.
I have determined that the Skyline GT-R photo was taken at Fuji in 1971, and that those cars finished 1st and 2nd, thanks to BGW's Kurosawa guess. However, I can't confirm whether Kurosawa was behind the wheel of either car…..because I haven't learned to read Japanese yet.
Also props to FrankFord, I knew it was Miles behind the wheel (they didn't call him "the hawk" for nothing), but I couldn't nail down the race.
The Lancia still vexes me. It probably is Kallstrom…or possibly Simo Lampinen, around 1970 as that's when "Lancia-Italia" first showed up on the noses of the works Fulvias, but I don't recall seeing a blue stage stickers on any rally in that period.