Comments on: Look Out Honey, ‘Cause I’m Using Technology! DTM Class 1 Gloriousness http://hooniverse.com/2009/11/27/look-out-honey-%e2%80%98cause-i%e2%80%99m-using-technology-dtm-class-1-gloriousness/ Staking a claim in the automotive fringe Thu, 29 Jul 2010 21:14:47 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: joshuman http://hooniverse.com/2009/11/27/look-out-honey-%e2%80%98cause-i%e2%80%99m-using-technology-dtm-class-1-gloriousness/#comment-9323 joshuman Mon, 30 Nov 2009 20:01:57 +0000 http://hooniverse.com/blog/?p=3968#comment-9323 Mosley was trying to do something like this to F1 but with much higher budgets. I hear he is looking for work. Maybe you could get him to organize it with you. I think he might know a few people that can help. Your limit of $1 million is probably a good one. It is accessible by many, especially corporations, and is enough that a few people could be hired full-time or for contract periods. A lower limit will see less innovation and a lot more weekend racers. Mosley was trying to do something like this to F1 but with much higher budgets. I hear he is looking for work. Maybe you could get him to organize it with you. I think he might know a few people that can help. Your limit of $1 million is probably a good one. It is accessible by many, especially corporations, and is enough that a few people could be hired full-time or for contract periods. A lower limit will see less innovation and a lot more weekend racers.

]]> By: skitter http://hooniverse.com/2009/11/27/look-out-honey-%e2%80%98cause-i%e2%80%99m-using-technology-dtm-class-1-gloriousness/#comment-9272 skitter Mon, 30 Nov 2009 02:28:21 +0000 http://hooniverse.com/blog/?p=3968#comment-9272 We could start it as a one make series, per Venturi. We will pit multiple classes against each other, to maintain balance. We will limit fuel flow rates to make various engine sizes and configurations competitive. We will open up tech inspections to members of all teams, as with the original hoons of the Australian V8 Supercars. We will not set our films to f***ing techno-remixed Vivaldi. We could start it as a one make series, per Venturi.
We will pit multiple classes against each other, to maintain balance.
We will limit fuel flow rates to make various engine sizes and configurations competitive.
We will open up tech inspections to members of all teams, as with the original hoons of the Australian V8 Supercars.
We will not set our films to f***ing techno-remixed Vivaldi.

]]> By: Maymar http://hooniverse.com/2009/11/27/look-out-honey-%e2%80%98cause-i%e2%80%99m-using-technology-dtm-class-1-gloriousness/#comment-9229 Maymar Sun, 29 Nov 2009 05:29:32 +0000 http://hooniverse.com/blog/?p=3968#comment-9229 I've always wondered if it'd be effective to just have a restriction on power to weight ratios, and then allow anything else as long as it's not flagrantly dangerous. I've always wondered if it'd be effective to just have a restriction on power to weight ratios, and then allow anything else as long as it's not flagrantly dangerous.

]]> By: CptSevere http://hooniverse.com/2009/11/27/look-out-honey-%e2%80%98cause-i%e2%80%99m-using-technology-dtm-class-1-gloriousness/#comment-9225 CptSevere Sun, 29 Nov 2009 02:56:02 +0000 http://hooniverse.com/blog/?p=3968#comment-9225 I like that idea a lot. I agree, you'd see some serious creativity going on there. Make the limit lower, so more privateers could be involved, would be my only suggestion. I like that idea a lot. I agree, you'd see some serious creativity going on there. Make the limit lower, so more privateers could be involved, would be my only suggestion.

]]> By: engineerd http://hooniverse.com/2009/11/27/look-out-honey-%e2%80%98cause-i%e2%80%99m-using-technology-dtm-class-1-gloriousness/#comment-9191 engineerd Sat, 28 Nov 2009 16:34:02 +0000 http://hooniverse.com/blog/?p=3968#comment-9191 As an engineer, I have mixed feelings about the minimalist rule-book series vs. the overly regulated series. The first gives my fellow engineers free reign to dream up something, get it built, and get it working. It's sort of the engineer's wet dream. Money doesn't matter (or at least not much). On the flip side, the over-regulated series stifle this creativity. However, it poses my race engineer brethren with a challenge -- come up with something within the rules. As long as the rules leave something open, good engineers will find a way to exploit it. This, I think, is the biggest problem with NASCAR and even F1. They have actively sought to close all loopholes. Not necessarily in the name of safety, but in the name of "parity". I'm sorry, racing isn't necessarily supposed to be fair. This is why l really like the idea of LeMons. You're given a cost limit (kind of) and certain safety measures. That's it. Now, there's not a lot of exotic tricks that are going to be employed by people working on the cars on Saturdays and keeping the cost under $500. However, what if you were to take that to a larger scale. Maybe a limit of $1 million? Throw in some rules that the chassis has to be production-based and engines have to come from current line-ups to make the racing relevant, but that would be about it. Let the engineers' imaginations run free, but challenge them to keep the costs contained to meet the $1 million limit. Anybody want to help me launch this racing series? As an engineer, I have mixed feelings about the minimalist rule-book series vs. the overly regulated series. The first gives my fellow engineers free reign to dream up something, get it built, and get it working. It's sort of the engineer's wet dream. Money doesn't matter (or at least not much).

On the flip side, the over-regulated series stifle this creativity. However, it poses my race engineer brethren with a challenge — come up with something within the rules. As long as the rules leave something open, good engineers will find a way to exploit it. This, I think, is the biggest problem with NASCAR and even F1. They have actively sought to close all loopholes. Not necessarily in the name of safety, but in the name of "parity". I'm sorry, racing isn't necessarily supposed to be fair.

This is why l really like the idea of LeMons. You're given a cost limit (kind of) and certain safety measures. That's it. Now, there's not a lot of exotic tricks that are going to be employed by people working on the cars on Saturdays and keeping the cost under $500. However, what if you were to take that to a larger scale. Maybe a limit of $1 million? Throw in some rules that the chassis has to be production-based and engines have to come from current line-ups to make the racing relevant, but that would be about it. Let the engineers' imaginations run free, but challenge them to keep the costs contained to meet the $1 million limit.

Anybody want to help me launch this racing series?

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