While the Best of France and Italy car show managed to have a representation of most every make and model of car those two countries officially sent to the U.S., as well as many that made it over here surreptitiously, one car that wasn’t present on the grass was the Peugeot 504. Well, we found one, and a cabriolet to boot, sitting outside the fence, like the Bad News Bears’ Tanner Boyle.
The Pininfarina-designed Cabrio, along with its similarly sleek coupe sibling, debuted in 1968. Sharing no body panels with the 504 sedan, the coupe and convertible gained a reputation in Europe as fine touring cars, but also for having a proclivity for rust, an addiction we can see this car shares.
Most of the badging has been removed from this silver cabrio, and we didn’t jump in to row the gears, so it’s hard to say whether this is a 4-cylinder or a V6, 4-speed or cinq-speed. What you can tell is that it is about as rough as they come while still being able to ply the roads, while still maintaining its dignified appearance. Hopefully its owner is planning to put the car right, and not letting it continue its current path, returning to its base elements.
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Looks to me like that drivers seat needs some duct-tape, or at least a hastily pinned on bedsheet.
You call that rust??? Come to Ohio, I will show you RUST!
Seconded. ODOT loves their NaCl.
Ohh yeah. And they have plenty of it this year, too. No more of that turnip juice on the roads for us!
I just looked at the pics – seriously, what rust? You mean those scratches on the boot lid?
A Peugeot in California, cool deal. Now it looks like that thing has seen some action, while I'm not a huge fan of Peugeot or sloppy seconds I do happen to like that car. It's got nice perportions and doesn't look to be in too bad of shape, although I am worried about the Melee that it was in, it might explain the cracked headlight.
Why did I read the title as "Rode Hard and Put Away Wert?"
What's the little red car in the first picture?
The Pug has had a hard life, it seems. Used as a car should be. Not just as an appliance, but for fun as indicated by the California Melee decal. It's either a candidate for a nice restoration or for some serious hoonage. Maybe in LeMons or CrapCanAm.
Enlighten me on this CrapCan-Am.
http://crapcanam.com/
It's one of Andy Didorosi's new adventures. I hope it takes off because it would be a perfect compliment to LeMons and it looks like they're trying to take it international.
Very cool, so it won't be a "24 Hour" event then. I'm excited, I am going to contact Didders to see if we could set one up here in Calgary.
I shouldn't jinx it, but I am still working on getting a LeMons event at the new Badlands Motorsport Park just north of you.
Oh even better, but the place needs to be built first, I should give Jay a kick in the ass and get him moving on that.
http://crapcanam.com/
It's one of Andy Didorosi's new adventures. I hope it takes off because it would be a perfect compliment to LeMons and it looks like they're trying to take it international.
That's a Fiat 124-based Moretti.
If I see this car at LeMons, I'll probably cry. Then I'll beg Jay to claim it for $500 and sell it to me.
This gentleman would like a word with you, sir.
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That's what happened to me yesterday when I stuck up for Tanshanomi.
"You're banned. Ray Wert has banned you 18:54 PM"
http://jalopnik.com/5398101/the-hoverounds-of-sem...
Wow, I see the BS about giving the commenters a bigger voice was short-lived.
I understand Ray's point, but, seriously, his heavy-handedness and defensiveness are what pushed me over the edge and why I left.
[Redacted] is becoming a shadow of its former self. A larger, more mundane, less user-friendly shadow.
Wow, that was weak man. I keep losing reasons to keep [Redacted] in my feedburner.
Dang, that's some bad mojo. I hope Tanshi finds his way over … he has excellent taste in autos.
The brief, but total panic at the thought of losing Tanshanomi calls our 'connected' society into sharp relief. Across thousands of miles of cabling, our relationships are more tenuous than they have ever been. Our online networks are not bolstered by nodding acknowledgments, our location is instantaneous but rarely known and rapidly changing. Stripped of cadence and timing, the typed interface can be poisonous to conversation while preserving them indefinitely. Yet respect is earned, awesome feats and thoughts are seen, and occasionally personalities make themselves known. Television is left for dead, but what we have now, fed by the same coincidence of interests or time as immediate reality, is far more easily lost forever like so many fallen leaves.
No shit! I completely missed that convo. It's becoming more and more like one of those Chinese dissident ban place thingies..I am not abandoning it. Yet. But it seems sooner than later.
As Editor it was RW's prerogative to take [REDACTED] "more corporate." Apparently he felt there weren't enough Autoblogs on the Intertoobz. I originally started reading that site because of the cool and obscure posts and quickly became as engaged by the community of commentariate as the by articles themselves – oftentimes more so. When RW first took the helm, his banhammer was almost exclusively used on only the douchiest of the douche bags.
When the caste system of Star Bellied Sneetches vs. Those Without Stars Upon Thars came about, I knew there was trouble in paradise. Things became less and less comfortable and felt more and more oligarchic. Next came the Jezebanned, then the Great Reconciliation and then ultimately the Exodus of the Hoons. Ironically, I was "deemed worthy" of stardom when I was feeling the most out of sorts with [REDACTED]. Very soon after, I learned of this joint. Coming here was like going home again. This Brotherhood of Hoons is exactly what the Interwebs doctor ordered.
Please promise me this: don't ever bring the star system here. Even the points make me feel a bit ill at ease. We're all equal under the Great Hoon and no one's comments should ever be grayed.
Sir, I believe that you have the makings of a faux book of the bible. Or simply, the "Hoon Bible". There would have to be many 'thous' and 'shalts'. It would be an epic tale of how the oppressed Hoons were put into exile by the Tyrant Roy Wort, but then were led out of the wilderness by the Great Canadian.
Mad_Science and Glucker aren't Canadian… they're the ones who offered me shelter from the storm.
True, my apologies to Mad_Science and Glucker. However, it was just me imagining a satirical version of events. Pay it no mind. These aren't the droids you're looking for.
It's okay, that wasn't intended as a smackdown. Glucker and Mr. Science actually secretly wish they were Canadian, so I'm sure they'll take it as a compliment.
^^^ Secretly wishes he lived in Los Angeles.
Course he did. All Canadians do…
Jalops Vs Hoons is not a battle I'd like to see anytime soon since I'm not quite as fed up with [REDACTED] as some others here seem to be.
Now it's true [REDACTED] is changing but they still offer good storys (even if they are a little more mainstream) and PaulJones, Skaycog, FTGD and a few others still seem to be holding out hope that it'll be the witty fun place that it used to be although it is sad cause ASH doesn't comment like he used to and there isn't the same kind of disscussion that used to take place.
Request to FTGD, can you promote all my comments that you see on [REDACTED] please? I'm not going to get a star there with out some help. Thanks.
Noted.
You, sir, get a star for that.
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Wait… shit.
We need MAPLE STARs!!!
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Like that?
I really wish I could heart click you right now.
If you sign up for IntenseDebate, our commenting system, it allows you to "follow" people you like… a feature I've almost totally ignored, but I'm glad we've got it!
I would wear the Maple Star proudly … especially went traveling abroad. "No, no – I'm Canadian, really! See, there's a maple leaf on my backpack and I swear I've got a toque in here somewhere … hold my Export A and I'll show you. "
Love that! Seriously! I guess living right next to Canada-land has corrupted my morals. I blame Canada!
18-yr-old drinking age where I am. Which kinda sucks when you reach my age, because that means the hot girl spilling out of her top over there is probably still a teenager. Dammit.
Maybe you're going to wrong kind of places and need to move up a demographic. On the other hand why not?
Not sure where in this thread I wanted to weigh in, but here works.
Hooniverse has no beef with Jalopnik. I started this site because I was getting bored there and the content wasn't what I wanted to see. As far as we're concerned, they abandoned this type of content (exceptions being Murilee's weekend stuff and the occasional midweek find) in favor of stuff that pays the bills and lets them play with the big boys.
They're a business, we're a hobby. They make enough to have people who work there basically full-time, and if they want to continue that, they need to do the stuff that gets traffic: press releases, reviews, all the same stuff everyone else runs. They're competing to be at the top of the Google results page…for a while we weren't even the first result if you googled "hooniverse".
Entirely different missions give entirely different sites. We have the privilege of not taking it seriously. Hence the ads for boardshorts in November. Our goal is the run the stuff we find cool and interesting, and nothing else.
When it comes to community stuff, that may be the place we compete. We orient our content towards stuff that gets people talking, trying to capture that BSing about cars in the driveway/garage/parking lot. They get 100k pageviews and 100 comments on a post, we'd get 100 comments and 100 pageviews. You commenters are pretty much the only people coming here. Personally, I would love to spark the kind of discussion than ran over there during the Fantasy Garage nominations. If you'd rather hang out BSing in our driveway than theirs, that's fine by us.
Fantastic description of what's going on here, and I love it.
I wish there were more hoons in my area to actually BS in somebody's garage, so I live vicariously here.
Funny, that's how I felt over there in 06/07.
My decent into the Jalopnik vortex coincided with my move to LA and entry into grad school, leaving me with few friends I could identify with…but the commentariat over there totally filled that void. I guess now it's a virtual BBQ at my place.
This thread was going now where serious. It was just a bunch of people just hanging out. Taking about Tim Horton's. Completely agree with ya. They are biz we're just hobby.
At the end of the day, I rather be here than there, End of. I will shut up now.
I think being noted as one of the '100 young Jewish Movers and Shakers' thing went straight to Wert's head.
I just had another look at some of the photos. That lion badge really is cool. I even like the cobwebs.
That still looks in better condition than my daily driver. Much prettier, too.
I've never met the guy who owns this car, but as a fellow California Melee-ist and incurable Peugeot nerd, I've heard of him and his badass 504 convertible (sorry, "decapotable.") He's an active rallyist and, I'm told, a good custodian of some odd cars. I'm pretty sure this beast is in good hands.
As a side note, the triple-lens taillights and quad headlamps identify this as a particularly early 504 convertible. All Peugeots rust, even in California, but the Pininfarina-built 404 and 504 coupes and convertibles seemed to dissolve faster than the sedans. Very, very few Peugeot coupes and convertibles were ever brought to North America, but they were popular grand tourers in Europe. They were never particularly powerful, but they (like the sedans) had soft all-independent suspension to handle France's crappy roads at high speed, and 4-wheel disc brakes in case some farmer's 2CV got in your way. One of my grandmother's cousins in France had a 504 coupe– just the thing for cruising around Nice, impressing American tourists.
Excellent point; while we, like any other site out there, like to poke fun at them, it should be noted loudly and frequently that this is not a protest site. I came over here because I find the cool old stuff more interesting than yet another press release about the Camaro, not because it's a protest to Jalopnik.
Now, I, myself, personally might have feelings about it, but that's not the site. So please, everyone keep that in mind. Hooniverse's mission is to be a complimentary piece to Jalopnik, filling the space between Murilopnik Weekends for those of us who like that sort of thing, not a rival site.
Sorry for stirring up excrement. I like this site because it is more 'Car Craft as opposed to 'Motor Trend' — just as you are saying.
This is Tad's 504. One night during the No Frills Iron Bottom Historic Motoring Tour, we cruised the streets of King City. I was drunk in the back seat. It was awesome. Couldn't tell you about the engine/tranny.
One of Tad's claims to Melee fame was duct-taping a dead skunk to the hood of his RX3 as a mid-rally accoutrement. As Armand hinted, he's good people.